Guest BooBoo Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 Genuine question, when we had Shearer and Ferdinand how did we make that work? I was too young to really remember it. They weren't a great partnership but as a side we created tons of chances and they filled their boots. In terms of partnerships, nothing I've seen has topped Cole and Beardsley. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiLvOR Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 Genuine question, when we had Shearer and Ferdinand how did we make that work? I was too young to really remember it. They weren't a great partnership but as a side we created tons of chances and they filled their boots. In terms of partnerships, nothing I've seen has topped Cole and Beardsley. Do you think we could replicate that with maybe Ben Arfa and Ba? Or Ben Arfa and Cisse? I'd quite like to see that tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 For that to happen, HBA would have to become a lot less selfish. Beardsley was the perfect second striker as he seemed to take more enjoyment from creating chances for others than scoring himself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 Linked with a move away here - http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/349199/Newcastle-set-to-lose-Demba-Ba and here - http://www.dailystar.co.uk/football/view/274700/Demba-Ba-Carroll-swap/ Express Daily Star Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 Genuine question, when we had Shearer and Ferdinand how did we make that work? I was too young to really remember it. Got it wide and crossed it in from the byline? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toondra Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 it's important to be selfish when your a Striker, but demba your too selfish sometimes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 it's important to be selfish when your a Striker, but demba your too selfish sometimes like when he agreed to give the penalty to cisse? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toondra Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 my point of view man, i think sometimes he forces his shoot when a clever pass would make a great chance of goal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 Genuine question, when we had Shearer and Ferdinand how did we make that work? I was too young to really remember it. They weren't a great partnership but as a side we created tons of chances and they filled their boots. In terms of partnerships, nothing I've seen has topped Cole and Beardsley. I'd agree with that, though Shearer and Bellamy worked well on a similar pattern. Shearer and Ferdinand scored goals, but the team has a whole began a slippery slope backwards. My memory is that Ferdinand was the one who tended to have to drop deeper, and he never looked comfortable there. At the end of the season, Dalglish decided to try something more along the previous pattern, with Shearer and Tomasson, but Shearer got injured and Tomasson wasn't good enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 Shearer and Bellamy was a joy to watch. Bellamy stretching them and making up so much ground to create space for Robert and Solano's crosses while also latching on to throughballs from them and Dyer. Shearer on the end of everything. Demba does some legwork, but neither of him and Papiss could ever be the sort of whirlwind Bellamy was. The perfect foil. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 What formation did Freiburg play? I'd be pretty surprised if it's been a case of he's only been able to play up on his own. I think there's heaps of potential with a Cisse-Ba front two even if they don't gel in the conventional partnership sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 Was a 4-5-1. Having said that i do believe in Cisse and Ba as a 2 if we actually play through teams and have Cisse running in behind stretching the defenders and Ba coming deep and to help with the build up. ATM they are so isolated and there's no real movement from the midfield or Ba or Cisse themselves or chances created that it's understandable why it doesn't work so well. I think it can work under the right style of play and set up though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 2 strikers can work fine without being some sort of telepathic partnership as long as there's enough chances being created by the rest of the team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexthegreat Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 From what I remember both Shearer and Ferdinand were excellent at holding the ball up and bringing others into play, whereas I don't think either Ba or Cisse could really call that a strength. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisMcQuillan Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 The issue is that with the way we play, which is too often lobbed long balls, you need to be playing Ameobi with one of Ba or Cisse, since he acts as the target man and holding up the ball is his strength. I agree that Ba and Cisse could work, but it would take more focused play through the centre and we don't really do that enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubaricho Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 Ba and Cisse up top for a team like Man U would be absolutely devastating, depressingly so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujpest doza Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 Shearer used to go wide a lot and whip in pin point crosses for Ferdinand. He was excellent at creating half a yard for a cross and his delivery was superb. Ginola, Lee, Tino, Beardsley and Gillespie used to create loads of chances for them both though. The 2 big men partnership wasn't really an issue due to the chances we created. Latter years when Shearer then partnered Ferguson, Ameobi or Cort it didn't work as well whereas when he partnered Bellamy it worked a treat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 Shearer used to go wide a lot and whip in pin point crosses for Ferdinand. He was excellent at creating half a yard for a cross and his delivery was superb. Ginola, Lee, Tino, Beardsley and Gillespie used to create loads of chances for them both though. The 2 big men partnership wasn't really an issue due to the chances we created. Latter years when Shearer then partnered Ferguson, Ameobi or Cort it didn't work as well whereas when he partnered Bellamy it worked a treat. That cross during the 5-0 v Man Utd Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 Shearer used to go wide a lot and whip in pin point crosses for Ferdinand. He was excellent at creating half a yard for a cross and his delivery was superb. Ginola, Lee, Tino, Beardsley and Gillespie used to create loads of chances for them both though. The 2 big men partnership wasn't really an issue due to the chances we created. Latter years when Shearer then partnered Ferguson, Ameobi or Cort it didn't work as well whereas when he partnered Bellamy it worked a treat. That cross during the 5-0 rv Man Utd And against villa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 Genuine question, when we had Shearer and Ferdinand how did we make that work? I was too young to really remember it. They weren't a great partnership but as a side we created tons of chances and they filled their boots. In terms of partnerships, nothing I've seen has topped Cole and Beardsley. They were a good partnership but you're right about the chances we created for them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzieMandias Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 By the time Shearer was partnered by Bellamy his role had changed. When Ferguson was brought in, the idea was that he'd win everything in the air, bully the defenders and make room for Shearer, who at that point was still trying to play as though he was as quick as he had been before his big injury. Bellamy was a very different kind of partner, the quick legs running off Shearer as target man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 Fairly sure Gullit bought Ferguson to eventually replace Shearer, not play with him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 Fairly sure Gullit bought Ferguson to eventually replace Shearer, not play with him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 Gullit and Shearer clashed terribly with the former really resenting the influence the latter held at the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 Gullit was vocal about wanting Ferguson to play alongside Shearer, idea was basically as Ozziemandias outlined with reference to the Chris Sutton partnership at Blackburn and us previously going for Dion Dublin. Entirely possible however that Gullit was secretly intending for Ferguson to be his Shearer replacement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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