Parky Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 I usually just lurk, just wanted to chip in on the whole Ba saga.. Im gutted that he has had his head turned, however if we really cannot offer more than what he is currently on, then this will be just a footnote in history in the wake of numerous excellent fotballers who eventually grow too big for their current club. Not many strikers can deliver 20 goals a season and as such their stock and consequently how much they feel they deserve to get paid increase.. Im gutted that he wants off but if he can make twice what he does here playing for another club then most of us I suspect would change jobs too. Rather than venting our anger at Ba we should reflect on why the club doesnt feel he is worth 70.000 a week. Might be more of a risk than we make it out to be to replace a proven PL goalscorer with a french benchwarmer and even suggest it would be an upgrade. Ba is a magnificent striker imo, one of the very best we have had. To me, he is a more complete forward than Cisse. Given the choice who to keep, its Demba for me. Had his head turned? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 What people seem to not understand is Remy would not be replacing Ba.... Ba's replacement is already here in Cisse. I'd imagine Remy would be brought in to add pace,trickery and balance to our attack. But he would not be a replacement for Ba as he is already here but another option in attack and to help flank Cisse along with Hatem but i don't see him replacing Ba the roles of the two will be drastically different imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 What people seem to not understand is Remy would not be replacing Ba.... Ba's replacement is already here in Cisse. I'd imagine Remy would be brought in to add pace,trickery and balance to our attack. But he would not be a replacement for Ba as he is already here but another option in attack and to help flank Cisse along with Hatem but i don't see him replacing Ba the roles of the two will be drastically different imo. Cisse Remy Shola HBA Campbell Ranger Has far more balance to it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Yes it does i would still look to purchase another winger in the summer mind. Unless Obertan magically reaches a level where he's reliable Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Yes it does i would still look to purchase another winger in the summer mind. Unless Obertan magically reaches a level where he's reliable straight into first XI or as a squad player/sub option ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 I don't particularly think Pardew wants shot of him, just wants it resolved one way or the other so he can move forward, either him signing a new contract without a release clause, or him leaving. Don't think he'd have a preference either way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Yes it does i would still look to purchase another winger in the summer mind. Unless Obertan magically reaches a level where he's reliable straight into first XI or as a squad player/sub option ? Squad rotation option as outside of Marveaux who i consider more of an AM anyway the back up options are not exactly brilliant.. and thats being very kind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 I'd much rather have Cisse here than Ba. Cisse works harder for the team and i cant see him wetting his knickers if he is asked to play out wide now and again. I think he's a better finisher than Ba (as long as he doesn't have too much time to think about it!), has much more stamina and doesnt seem to have a gaggle of agents and hangers on. Those goals he scored earlier this year were not flukes - he just needs to be playing centrally and the ball supplied to him. I cant understand people preferring to keep Ba over Cisse, if it came to it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 I would rather we have Ba, Cisse & Reimy a the club, no rule to say all three have to play at the same time but have we not learnt a strong bench is a must. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 What people seem to not understand is Remy would not be replacing Ba.... Ba's replacement is already here in Cisse. I'd imagine Remy would be brought in to add pace,trickery and balance to our attack. But he would not be a replacement for Ba as he is already here but another option in attack and to help flank Cisse along with Hatem but i don't see him replacing Ba the roles of the two will be drastically different imo. Cisse Remy Shola HBA Campbell Ranger Has far more balance to it But less goals Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Tbf goals become a bit of an irrelevance when only one man is scoring at one time id understand if ba and cisse were both scoring but they never have.. Cisse can replace those goals. Remy would hopefully bring balance,versatility and pace among other things.... I'm not convinced Ba will be as missed as much his record suggest... Im more concerned by the ineptitude of the board rather than the options available to replace him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 I'm greedy for attacking football though, sign the right C's and go 3 at the back ----Tayls------Colo---------Douglas ----------Tiote---------Anita ---Benny------Cabaye------Reimy--- ----------Cisse----------Ba Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 that would never happen under ashley unfortunatly... For what its worth i agree but theres 2 outcomes here...... Ba stays and signs a new contract or Ba leaves and preferably Remy comes in.... Im ok with both scenarios and believe both can lead to success but i just want the situation resolved one way or the other... It cant be good for player,manager or team mates tbh all this constant uncertainty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raconteur Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 The third scenario, as all the naysayers remind us constantly, is that Ba leaves and is not replaced at all... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 The third scenario, as all the naysayers remind us constantly, is that Ba leaves and is not replaced at all... he will b replaced by cisse in the middle, who will find form, and the team will have a better balance/ team ethic. we will be fine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 Just want to point out how much I love this thread's title. So there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2892/transfer-zone/2012/12/29/3635044/- Cisse reckons the decision to get rid of Ba is down to the directors? Misinterpreted or more than meets the eye? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JS Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2892/transfer-zone/2012/12/29/3635044/- Cisse reckons the decision to get rid of Ba is down to the directors? Misinterpreted or more than meets the eye? I'll stick to what I've said before - Still think he's being somewhat pushed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 Pardews comments on Cisse about how him playing wide right will only benefit him when he moves back into the striker role were interesting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeloEmre Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 Pardews comments on Cisse about how him playing wide right will only benefit him when he moves back into the striker role were interesting. Not really. Cisse wont play out wide when Ben Arfa is back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 I don't think Ba is really pushed. He's exceeded expectations massively, he's looking for a pay rise that - looking at other strikers in the league who score similar amounts of goals - isn't beyond reasonable. However, the figures being quoted are figures we're never going to be able to determine whether they're accurate or not. Therefore, I reserve judgement on Ba's actual demands in relation to what we are prepared to offer him. But in my eyes, a player signing for a club, exceeding expectation to the degree that he has, is entiteled to a better contract. I also fully appreciate and agree with our financial structure in terms of wages. I just don't think Ba's ability and the sort of wages that comes with it is in line with what we can offer at this moment; hence the situation where him leaving might solve more issues than him staying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 When Ben Arfa is back Ba will be gone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 Pardews comments on Cisse about how him playing wide right will only benefit him when he moves back into the striker role were interesting. Not really. Cisse wont play out wide when Ben Arfa is back. So back to 4-4-2 then ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benwell Lad Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 HBA Cisse Marv as a front 3 quite excites me. That said Ba is one hell of a footballer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 HBA Cisse Marv as a front 3 quite excites me. That said Ba is one hell of a goalscorer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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