NEEJ Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 Better than Woodgate for me now. Since he's made of pure Titanium Thought he's been better than Woodgate for a while now. Woodgate was brilliant, but the way people talk about him it's as if he's completely faultless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Im guessing he will know we will be offering him less wages, so assuming he is willing to talk, he may well be willing to accept a pay cut. If he is on 80k a week for two more years, surely 60k a week over 4/5 years will be acceptable. Maybe we could give him a 2 year extension where he's paid his current wage for the next two years and then a new reduced wage for a further 2 years. I know we're a club with what seems like a very strict wage cap in place, but in pure employment terms, a pay cut as a reward for consistently performing better than your peers is a really shitty incentive to carry on giving your all. He should be rewarded for how outstanding he's been and at least stay on his wages. Not likely I know but still... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Better than Woodgate for me now. Since he's made of pure Titanium Thought he's been better than Woodgate for a while now. Woodgate was brilliant, but the way people talk about him it's as if he's completely faultless. Yep, Woodgate certainly made mistakes, like all defenders - including probably the costliest mistake I've ever seen at SJP. Colo contributes more to our overall play than Woodgate did. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Im guessing he will know we will be offering him less wages, so assuming he is willing to talk, he may well be willing to accept a pay cut. If he is on 80k a week for two more years, surely 60k a week over 4/5 years will be acceptable. Maybe we could give him a 2 year extension where he's paid his current wage for the next two years and then a new reduced wage for a further 2 years. I know we're a club with what seems like a very strict wage cap in place, but in pure employment terms, a pay cut as a reward for consistently performing better than your peers is a really shitty incentive to carry on giving your all. He should be rewarded for how outstanding he's been and at least stay on his wages. Not likely I know but still... If he's as good as he is now in 4 years time, you'd have a very good case. I'd agree that he should still be top class at that point, but at some point he inevitably wont be, and you don't pay players ludicrous sums well into their dotage. /unless your name is Alan Smith. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Yeah that's true. You could get round that by offering a lower basic wage then an appearance fee that bumps it up. That way it's still a reward for the players performance, and a bit of security for the club if his legs fall off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Better than Woodgate for me now. Since he's made of pure Titanium Thought he's been better than Woodgate for a while now. Woodgate was brilliant, but the way people talk about him it's as if he's completely faultless. Sorry like, but until Colo came along Woodgate was the best CB we'd had in the Premier League IMO. The talk was justified. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Better than Woodgate for me now. Since he's made of pure Titanium Thought he's been better than Woodgate for a while now. Woodgate was brilliant, but the way people talk about him it's as if he's completely faultless. Sorry like, but until Colo came along Woodgate was the best CB we'd had in the Premier League IMO. The talk was justified. Saw some unbelievable performances from the lad. Colo is fantastic, but I still think Woodgate is the best natural defender I have seen for us, just pissed it all up the wall. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujpest doza Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Better than Woodgate for me now. Since he's made of pure Titanium Thought he's been better than Woodgate for a while now. Woodgate was brilliant, but the way people talk about him it's as if he's completely faultless. Yep, Woodgate certainly made mistakes, like all defenders - including probably the costliest mistake I've ever seen at SJP. Colo contributes more to our overall play than Woodgate did. What mistake was that? The costliest one ever seen? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Partizan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Im guessing he will know we will be offering him less wages, so assuming he is willing to talk, he may well be willing to accept a pay cut. If he is on 80k a week for two more years, surely 60k a week over 4/5 years will be acceptable. Maybe we could give him a 2 year extension where he's paid his current wage for the next two years and then a new reduced wage for a further 2 years. I know we're a club with what seems like a very strict wage cap in place, but in pure employment terms, a pay cut as a reward for consistently performing better than your peers is a really shitty incentive to carry on giving your all. He should be rewarded for how outstanding he's been and at least stay on his wages. Not likely I know but still... If he was 25-26 or so I'd agree, but he's 29 and is contracted until he's 31. If the club offered to give him a new contract where he stays at £80k until he's 31 and then moves to 65k until he's 33 then I think that would show that the club certainly appreciate him and are pretty desperate for him to stay. Because its a far better deal than any other player at the club would get given the same situation (age and current contract). It also seems pretty unlikely that any other club would beat that offer (it would average out to over £72k a week for the next 4 years). I don't know, its a difficult one, I just don't think any player at this club should be getting £80k at 33 years old, but like you say maybe we'll do something with bonuses to make it look like less of a pay cut. Either way we have to do everything possible to keep him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Nice! MsiDouglas Mark Douglas Coloccini wins the North East football writers award for 2011. #nufc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 We need to start identifying his long-term replacement now like, I desperately want him to stay and be given a new deal but he can only keep going for so long. We need a couple of good young CBs in the squad ASAP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolution Number 9 Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Nice! MsiDouglas Mark Douglas Coloccini wins the North East football writers award for 2011. #nufc Great stuff. Edit: the RTG thread's up already. Ready for meltdown in 3, 2, 1... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
YankeeToon Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Nice! MsiDouglas Mark Douglas Coloccini wins the North East football writers award for 2011. #nufc Great stuff. Edit: the RTG thread's up already. Ready for meltdown in 3, 2, 1... Magedia!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Better than Woodgate for me now. Since he's made of pure Titanium Thought he's been better than Woodgate for a while now. Woodgate was brilliant, but the way people talk about him it's as if he's completely faultless. Sorry like, but until Colo came along Woodgate was the best CB we'd had in the Premier League IMO. The talk was justified. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Nice! MsiDouglas Mark Douglas Coloccini wins the North East football writers award for 2011. #nufc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Partizan. Yep... Still think about it today... If ever a club's destiny/downfall could be pinpointed with one moment... Then that is still the one for me... Should of just let the ball go out for a throw beside their corner flag... Meanwhile... Several years later... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujpest doza Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Partizan. I honestly can't remember. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest elbee909 Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Colo, Tiote, then Bardsey. "But we finished above them" etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ameritoon Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Definitely deserved. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
healthyaddiction Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Colo, Tiote, then Bardsey. "But we finished above them" etc. Third comment on the matter "yet we finished above them". Good call. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Good lad colo. Deserves all the plaudits Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEEJ Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Better than Woodgate for me now. Since he's made of pure Titanium Thought he's been better than Woodgate for a while now. Woodgate was brilliant, but the way people talk about him it's as if he's completely faultless. Sorry like, but until Colo came along Woodgate was the best CB we'd had in the Premier League IMO. The talk was justified. He was, without doubt the best we'd had. But I still think people, especially on here, are guilty of bigging him up just a little too much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Better than Woodgate for me now. Since he's made of pure Titanium Thought he's been better than Woodgate for a while now. Woodgate was brilliant, but the way people talk about him it's as if he's completely faultless. Sorry like, but until Colo came along Woodgate was the best CB we'd had in the Premier League IMO. The talk was justified. He was, without doubt the best we'd had. But I still think people, especially on here, are guilty of bigging him up just a little too much. Nah - there was a period when he was absolutely immense. As much as I love Colo I've seen nowt like Woodgate in our defence since he left. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punk77 Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Better than Woodgate for me now. Since he's made of pure Titanium Thought he's been better than Woodgate for a while now. Woodgate was brilliant, but the way people talk about him it's as if he's completely faultless. Sorry like, but until Colo came along Woodgate was the best CB we'd had in the Premier League IMO. The talk was justified. He was, without doubt the best we'd had. But I still think people, especially on here, are guilty of bigging him up just a little too much. Maybe. But what was special with Woody was his age, only 23 years old and already one of the best stoppers in the league. What a career this man could have had if it wasn't for all those injuries. If I should point at one or two weaknesses in Colo's play it's his capabilities in the air, and his marking in the box. He sometimes forgets his man. That's where Woody surpassed him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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