Interpolic Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 To be honest I haven't been averse to the idea of Tiote leaving for quite a while now. I used to be of the opinion that we'd never spend a penny without selling players first or later (still not convinced otherwise like but fingers crossed) and Tiote leaving was the lesser of many evils for me. Thought we could get very good money for him and spend it on 3 or 4 good players, including an able replacement. I'd love us to keep him and get him back to his old form though, it might be easier for him if he's not playing every game in a struggling side. It would be fantastic to see us build from here and create a good squad with competition for places. The potential of the club's there for all to see, I think getting a sniff of success last year and seeing it seemingly snatched away due to tightfisted opportunism (opportunism that is to try to do it on the cheap and hope for the same results) has really brought the frustration out of many on here. There seems to have been more patience from those in the stands on the whole but I'd put a lot of that down to generally getting a good kicking as a fanbase down the years with expectations dampened as a result. Not that I think the crowd should be kicking off every 5 minutes but I've been surprised at the lack of anger until recently. I think my main concern now is whether Pardew's the man for the job, I personally don't think so but he's got a few months to prove his worth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 To be honest I haven't been averse to the idea of Tiote leaving for quite a while now. I used to be of the opinion that we'd never spend a penny without selling players first or later (still not convinced otherwise like but fingers crossed) and Tiote leaving was the lesser of many evils for me. Thought we could get very good money for him and spend it on 3 or 4 good players, including an able replacement. I'd love us to keep him and get him back to his old form though, it might be easier for him if he's not playing every game in a struggling side. It would be fantastic to see us build from here and create a good squad with competition for places. The potential of the club's there for all to see, I think getting a sniff of success last year and seeing it seemingly snatched away due to tightfisted opportunism (opportunism that is to try to do it on the cheap and hope for the same results) has really brought the frustration out of many on here. There seems to have been more patience from those in the stands on the whole but I'd put a lot of that down to generally getting a good kicking as a fanbase down the years with expectations dampened as a result. Not that I think the crowd should be kicking off every 5 minutes but I've been surprised at the lack of anger until recently. I think my main concern now is whether Pardew's the man for the job, I personally don't think so but he's got a few months to prove his worth. think Tiote has been a victim of his own success, the more we've built him up, the more responsibility he's tried to take on...he was culpable for trying to play his way out of trouble early on (Blackburn at home IIRC) but it's become more frequent and the suspensions/yellow cards haven't dropped off....from a year ago (when he was relatively irreplaceable)...his form and fitness have resulted in a large-ish section of the support not being too concerned if he's sacrificed for the greater good. Still maintain that the policy of the owner/club is going to bear fruit in the long term - quite impressed that the enthusiasm of posters on here isn't about the amount of money we've spent, but the type/quality of player that we've brought in - seems that we're improving off the field and in the stands no end. Pleased to see NE1 become a hotbed of European culture...only adds to the area IMO Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 Nice to see someone else isn't that surprised and wasn't that concerned Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 Fuck me. You said you were quietly shitting yourself not 2 weeks ago. On here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 f*** me. You said you were quietly shitting yourself not 2 weeks ago. On here. Can you not take him somewhere else? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocksammy Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 To our entire scouting network not just our cheif scout, Mr. Carr. From the guys that do the translations to the blokes that watch 14 year olds in the rain of the obsecure unprenoucable place you happen to end up (probably south of france but). You have all done your jobs remarkeabley well and hope to see a positive upswing in the senior team for not just the rest of the season but next season too. :clap: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 The potential of the club's there for all to see, I think getting a sniff of success last year and seeing it seemingly snatched away due to tightfisted opportunism (opportunism that is to try to do it on the cheap and hope for the same results) has really brought the frustration out of many on here. There seems to have been more patience from those in the stands on the whole but I'd put a lot of that down to generally getting a good kicking as a fanbase down the years with expectations dampened as a result. Not that I think the crowd should be kicking off every 5 minutes but I've been surprised at the lack of anger until recently. I think my main concern now is whether Pardew's the man for the job, I personally don't think so but he's got a few months to prove his worth. Spot on. RE: Tiote for me it could always be that for whatever reason he had a massive spike in form when he arrived and he's simply reverted to what he actually is. He's never been good on the ball and some of the fantasies linking him with 'top 4' were far fetched because of this, there is a decent player in there though but I'm not sure he has the mentality or the coaching available to him to realise it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ritchie Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 Y NO NEW FRNCHMN 2NITE, MIKE?! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
quayside Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 Like any of us on here I have no idea how Ashley sees his investment in the club. But it is a fact that the market value of Sports Direct has increased by about 65% in the last year and about 35% since the summer. It is only "paper" money but his shares in Sports Direct are now worth £750 million more than they were a year ago #just saying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 Fuck me. You said you were quietly shitting yourself not 2 weeks ago. On here. I think my point of view is pretty clear from the many, many posts I've made. Or you can seize on one phrase and quite pathetically twist it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benwell Lad Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 Like any of us on here I have no idea how Ashley sees his investment in the club. But it is a fact that the market value of Sports Direct has increased by about 65% in the last year and about 35% since the summer. It is only "paper" money but his shares in Sports Direct are now worth £750 million more than they were a year ago #just saying. Astute observation and almost certainly linked to last week's going ons. The remaining few on here who refer to Ashley in "stupid" or "idiot" like terms are, .....well quite frankly idiots. He may be many things but an idiot he most certainly is not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David28 Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 You can't be an idiot if you've made that amount of money. (And I mean "made", not inherit it or something like that...) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 Like any of us on here I have no idea how Ashley sees his investment in the club. But it is a fact that the market value of Sports Direct has increased by about 65% in the last year and about 35% since the summer. It is only "paper" money but his shares in Sports Direct are now worth £750 million more than they were a year ago #just saying. Astute observation and almost certainly linked to last week's going ons. The remaining few on here who refer to Ashley in "stupid" or "idiot" like terms are, .....well quite frankly idiots. He may be many things but an idiot he most certainly is not. i'm not so sure. those he brought in are very good investments no matter how his other business is doing with all probably having a higher value than the purchase price. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 Why would it be linked at all? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benwell Lad Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 Why would it be linked at all? OK I'll concede, maybe not a direct link. However if Ashley had to put any personal money into the deals (and we must remember that buying players at the end of their contracts costs a lot more than the "visible" transfer fee) then him being pretty flush, even by his standards, would have made his decision easier. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 Well he didn't, so it's completely irrelevant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
quayside Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 Well he didn't, so it's completely irrelevant. Are you saying Ashley hasn't put any money into these deals? If so are you sure about that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 His own money? Why the hell would he do that again all of a sudden after years of not doing so? Ridiculous this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
quayside Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 His own money? Why the hell would he do that again all of a sudden after years of not doing so? Ridiculous this. Possible reasons: the club isn't doing as well on the pitch as last season and he doesn't want to mess with relegation and/or he's feeling a bit flusher due to the success of that part of his business empire that accounts for well over 70% of his wealth. I don't know what the club's finances look like and consequently I don't know if the club has the cash to fund these deals right now. Only those on the inside would have that knowledge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 We spent £3m in the summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 Fuck me. You said you were quietly shitting yourself not 2 weeks ago. On here. I think my point of view is pretty clear from the many, many posts I've made. Or you can seize on one phrase and quite pathetically twist it. I'm just picking up on your latest mental comment. You weren't surprised we signed 5 players? You weren't in the least bit concerned we wouldn't plug enough gaps or that we'd get relegated? With our recent form and our general transfer window dawdling? Wow, how's that valium working out for you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyn davies Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 he'll clear one or two of the lesser players to recoup some of the recent cost's and balance the books , personally can't see a problem as we all have to do that, he's no different. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Fuck me. You said you were quietly shitting yourself not 2 weeks ago. On here. I think my point of view is pretty clear from the many, many posts I've made. Or you can seize on one phrase and quite pathetically twist it. I'm just picking up on your latest mental comment. You weren't surprised we signed 5 players? You weren't in the least bit concerned we wouldn't plug enough gaps or that we'd get relegated? With our recent form and our general transfer window dawdling? Wow, how's that valium working out for you? I wasn't surprised we had a busy January at all, no, and I haven't gotten to the point where I'm seriously worried about relegation. Generally been very positive about the transfer policy and the overall direction of the club haven't I? And nothing that's happened recently has changed my opinion, especially the transfer activity which would appear to bolster it. I don't see what's so mental about all that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Tollemache, the appeasement may have paid off, well done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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