merlin Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 Would like to know more about this Magpie group. Seeing as it worked, may be worth re-visiting their ideas. The main difference between then and now is that the Magpie Group had an alternative potential owner to get behind and their champion was John Hall. We don't have a John Hall to get behind. The closest we got was "Two-Bob" Barry Moat who the banks wouldn't accept as a potential owner without guarantees from Ashley Exactly right - I was a part of the Group and it would never have worked if we didn't have SJH's momey behind us as well as his commitment. So far, nobody has emerged to act as a figurehead and backed that with the necessary dosh. Once someone does, then is the time to get behind them provided that they DO have the necessary means As I said earlier, it took a man with millions to shift McKeag but it will take a man with billions to shift Ashley and put the club in the top echelon of the PL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 Ashley has billions. I'd say their ambition for the club is far more important than their bank balance. It doesn't take Chelsea or Man City level of investment to have this club challenging for Europe regularly and have the odd good cup run, which is realisticly what most supporters expect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 Would like to know more about this Magpie group. Seeing as it worked, may be worth re-visiting their ideas. The main difference between then and now is that the Magpie Group had an alternative potential owner to get behind and their champion was John Hall. We don't have a John Hall to get behind. The closest we got was "Two-Bob" Barry Moat who the banks wouldn't accept as a potential owner without guarantees from Ashley Exactly right - I was a part of the Group and it would never have worked if we didn't have SJH's momey behind us as well as his commitment. So far, nobody has emerged to act as a figurehead and backed that with the necessary dosh. Once someone does, then is the time to get behind them provided that they DO have the necessary means As I said earlier, it took a man with millions to shift McKeag but it will take a man with billions to shift Ashley and put the club in the top echelon of the PL. Which is the reason for the general apathy among fans and media IMO. Protests and campaigns need an end goal or a solution, and unless there is a potential alternative owner to get behind like there was with John Hall a lot of people will just shrug their shoulders and say what's the point? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 Why not us? perhaps unlike the man himself potential investors have done their research into mike and won't go near the fucker with a shitty stick never mind enter negotiations with him one thing's for sure, he won't be looking for a fair or reasonable price Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 Why not us? perhaps unlike the man himself potential investors have done their research into mike and won't go near the fucker with a shitty stick never mind enter negotiations with him one thing's for sure, he won't be looking for a fair or reasonable price The best opportunity to buy Newcastle was when we went down and the club was up for sale. When Barry Moat was struggling to get the finance to fund a buyout, there really should have been others with more financial resources ready to swoop in. The value of the club has probably soared since then so potential saviours missed the boat big time - if there ever really was any out there, which I doubt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest snoopythewriter Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 Why not us? perhaps unlike the man himself potential investors have done their research into mike and won't go near the f***er with a shitty stick never mind enter negotiations with him one thing's for sure, he won't be looking for a fair or reasonable price The best opportunity to buy Newcastle was when we went down and the club was up for sale. When Barry Moat was struggling to get the finance to fund a buyout, there really should have been others with more financial resources ready to swoop in. The value of the club has probably soared since then so potential saviours missed the boat big time - if there ever really was any out there, which I doubt. So do you think, God forbid, that if we get relegated again this season, that our price would drop significantly that we could be swooped up cheaply? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 Why not us? perhaps unlike the man himself potential investors have done their research into mike and won't go near the f***er with a shitty stick never mind enter negotiations with him one thing's for sure, he won't be looking for a fair or reasonable price The best opportunity to buy Newcastle was when we went down and the club was up for sale. When Barry Moat was struggling to get the finance to fund a buyout, there really should have been others with more financial resources ready to swoop in. The value of the club has probably soared since then so potential saviours missed the boat big time - if there ever really was any out there, which I doubt. So do you think, God forbid, that if we get relegated again this season, that our price would drop significantly that we could be swooped up cheaply? Even if it did, and let's assume suddenly buyers would emerge interested in taking over NUFC - what sort of investors would they be that could only afford to buy the club when it's value drops to a certain level? Barry Moat Mk II more than likely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest snoopythewriter Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 Why not us? perhaps unlike the man himself potential investors have done their research into mike and won't go near the f***er with a shitty stick never mind enter negotiations with him one thing's for sure, he won't be looking for a fair or reasonable price The best opportunity to buy Newcastle was when we went down and the club was up for sale. When Barry Moat was struggling to get the finance to fund a buyout, there really should have been others with more financial resources ready to swoop in. The value of the club has probably soared since then so potential saviours missed the boat big time - if there ever really was any out there, which I doubt. So do you think, God forbid, that if we get relegated again this season, that our price would drop significantly that we could be swooped up cheaply? Even if it did, and let's assume suddenly buyers would emerge interested in taking over NUFC - what sort of investors would they be that could only afford to buy the club when it's value drops to a certain level? Barry Moat Mk II more than likely. Perhaps they're of the attitude that, getting the club at a more reduced price, they'd be more inclined to deal with Ashley's attitude. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 'I remember once when George Gillett owned Liverpool, I called him to see if I could find out if Steven Gerrard was going to play because he was in my fantasy team,' said the prince last week. Shows you the fantasy realm they live in. Can see this one fizzing out after a couple of years and Sheff utd not making it to the premiership, if so it'll be a quick visit like qpr. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 Why not us? perhaps unlike the man himself potential investors have done their research into mike and won't go near the f***er with a shitty stick never mind enter negotiations with him one thing's for sure, he won't be looking for a fair or reasonable price The best opportunity to buy Newcastle was when we went down and the club was up for sale. When Barry Moat was struggling to get the finance to fund a buyout, there really should have been others with more financial resources ready to swoop in. The value of the club has probably soared since then so potential saviours missed the boat big time - if there ever really was any out there, which I doubt. So do you think, God forbid, that if we get relegated again this season, that our price would drop significantly that we could be swooped up cheaply? Even if it did, and let's assume suddenly buyers would emerge interested in taking over NUFC - what sort of investors would they be that could only afford to buy the club when it's value drops to a certain level? Barry Moat Mk II more than likely. Perhaps they're of the attitude that, getting the club at a more reduced price, they'd be more inclined to deal with Ashley's attitude. Why would they give a crap about his attitude, the only issue would be the price. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=257398 They'll deserve every thing they get Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=257398 They'll deserve every thing they get Some of those posts are brilliant * when ashley first bought newcastle he was guilty of making a cunt of it by, and wait for it, listening to the newcastle fans and keeping newcastle-men involved in the club, jobs for boys if you will after their humiliating relegation he went "fuck this2 ripped the club apart from top to bottom and started fine tuning the club both on and off the park financially, none of this newcastle-men nonsense * I'm sure if he does, he will announce his plans and people can decide on their merit. I'm pretty sure he won't get involved in leaks and media slander to destabilise the club and get his way. Who knows, he might even spend money. * Would put an end to Paul Murray creating havoc every few months. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=257398 They'll deserve every thing they get Some of those posts are brilliant I loved the one about ploughing millions in to the club every season just to keep our head above water and how he'd bring stability to their club. Unbelievable Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=257398 They'll deserve every thing they get Some of those posts are brilliant I loved the one about ploughing millions in to the club every season just to keep our head above water and how he'd bring stability to their club. Unbelievable Just edited my post to add some of my favourites from the first page Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliemort Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 What about how Rangers are a bigger brand in world football where Newcastle are just a big brand in the region 3rd Division Scottish football is where its at Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 * Would put an end to Paul Murray creating havoc every few months. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinotheprehistoricgeordie Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 My main issue with our club wasn't the lack of signings, it wasn't the fact we stuck with Pardew, the act that pushed me fully into disillusionment with the club was Kinnear’s appointment. It’s such an obvious ‘fuck you’ to the fans, it so clearly showed his contempt for us that I’m not willing to let it slide. The man doesn't care about this club in the slightest, Caulkin hit the nail on the head with his most recent article, the little trust he had built up with the last few years of stability have now been completely erased. I’m for the walk out against Leeds. Of course it’s not going to hit Ashley financially but it will prove a point. We can unite together as fans and show him that if it was necessary we would stop going to the matches. It’s a small show of force, but it does show commitment and determination in the fan base. It’s one game which won’t risk our position in the premier league, and the timing is perfect. Miss one game, just one game, as a show of force and solidarity against a man who doesn't give a shit about this club or its supporters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 I think the time for that was probably Arsenal at home last season. When safety was secured, it would have sent some message going into the summer if that had been played in front of an empty stadium. Something about a boycott of the Leeds game doesn't sit right with me. That competition is still the best chance we'll have of winning anything any time soon, for once we've had a kind draw first two rounds, and I bet the majority of people suggesting not going to that game will be the first ones expecting tickets at Wembley should we get there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinotheprehistoricgeordie Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 I think the time for that was probably Arsenal at home last season. When safety was secured, it would have sent some message going into the summer if that had been played in front of an empty stadium. Something about a boycott of the Leeds game doesn't sit write with me. That competition is still the best chance we'll have of winning anything any time soon, for once we've had a kind draw first two rounds, and I bet the majority of people suggesting not going to that game will be the first ones expecting tickets at Wembley should we get there. Come on man, you can't begrudge any Newcastle fan wanting to see us play at Wembley. People who protest are doing it because they think it's the best thing to do for our club. This perception of superiority by those who go over those who protest is bollocks. Should I lord it over some fans because I had a season ticket during our season in the championship? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 The problem with a purchase is that it's extremely difficult to make any money from owning us. As Mike Ashley knows well. So the buyers are narrowed down to people who looking for a fun way to spend their billions. Even the likes of Abramovich have other political and social reasons for buying English clubs, I doubt many expect to make a return. I guess we could hope for an owner that would financially be the same as Ashley (ie we would be self sustaining) but who would make better decisions and employ better staff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 I think the time for that was probably Arsenal at home last season. When safety was secured, it would have sent some message going into the summer if that had been played in front of an empty stadium. Something about a boycott of the Leeds game doesn't sit write with me. That competition is still the best chance we'll have of winning anything any time soon, for once we've had a kind draw first two rounds, and I bet the majority of people suggesting not going to that game will be the first ones expecting tickets at Wembley should we get there. Come on man, you can't begrudge any Newcastle fan wanting to see us play at Wembley. People who protest are doing it because they think it's the best thing to do for our club. This perception of superiority by those who go over those who protest is bollocks. Should I lord it over some fans because I had a season ticket during our season in the championship? I don't think there's anything wrong with protesting in itself, it's probably the only means we have of forcing Ashley to run this club properly. I would wait to see how the season unfolds first though. While we didn't get the players in to give us strength in depth, there's still a pretty good looking first 11 there. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that we could be in the top 6 after the next 4-5 games, the fixtures are all pretty winnable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 Protests are fair enough but when it's harming a chance of a good cup run, I don't see any benefit whatsoever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 Protests are fair enough but when it's harming a chance of a good cup run, I don't see any benefit whatsoever. You don't see possible long term gain over short term pain? I could understand that stance if we were going into a semi-final but not this early in a competition we'll probably screw up in anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoreboard82 Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 The problem with a purchase is that it's extremely difficult to make any money from owning us. As Mike Ashley knows well. So the buyers are narrowed down to people who looking for a fun way to spend their billions. Even the likes of Abramovich have other political and social reasons for buying English clubs, I doubt many expect to make a return. I guess we could hope for an owner that would financially be the same as Ashley (ie we would be self sustaining) but who would make better decisions and employ better staff. I would be happy for someone less wealthy to take over, even if we had to cut our cloth accordingly by selling before we buy players, just as long as we knew they were doing what's best for the club and not themselves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 I don't see what good at all it will have on the club/players playing in a near empty St James' with 5,000 Leeds fans there, short or long-term. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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