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Right now should be the most positive period in the entire Ashley tenure, perhaps aside from when he first bought the club or that fleeting period where it looked like we might actually build on a 5th place finish (a concept soon smashed down). We have a great manager dragging the club into shape on and off the pitch and everyone is behind him.

 

The stink of incompetence, deceit and wasted opportunity that's hung over the club for about the last ten years is the problem and has always been the problem, not any lack of positivity on an internet forum.

 

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We are not entitled to be pushing into the top fours' noses.

 

 

Alreet Mike?

Entitlement: believing that we're inherently deserving of something as a right, our special privilege.

 

Alreet Pards?

 

Who believes that we be "pushing into the top fours' noses"?

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We are not entitled to be pushing into the top fours' noses.

 

 

Alreet Mike?

Entitlement: believing that we're inherently deserving of something as a right, our special privilege.

 

Alreet Pards?

 

Who believes that we be "pushing into the top fours' noses"?

 

I'll be happy if we finish 15th.

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More and more every day NUFC is an acronym for no use fucking crying.

 

I first attended games in my teens in the dark days of the late 80s when things were bleak.

 

We had the roller coaster 90s where we were able to far exceed expectations and the golden years of Robson where we again exceeded expectations.

 

Ashley has proven to be bad for us. He's struck gold in persuading Rafa to join in the first place, and sadly all of Ashley's chickens are coming home to roost after years of mismanagement. Players on wages that they wouldn't get anywhere else because they're dogshit and now we have to wait until their contracts run down or wait until someone is mad enough to take a chance on them.

 

Thing is, and I hate to say it but the snippets we've seen from Ashley's interview are right. We got promoted from the Championship by pretty much sustaining a Premier League operating model. We've probably now got a couple of years "transition" where we get rid of the deadwood and get back on a more level playing field with the rest of the division.

 

And anyone who doesn't think Rafa knows this is crackers. Yes I think he probably thought there would be more cash and it doesn't help that Penfold is inept but he sees it as a project. I do reckon the problem is more to do with the wage bill than anything else though.

 

Time to leave the bedwetting a few weeks. Get the transfer deadline out the way, see what we have then. For what it's worth I think we will be fine this season. Hopefully we will then kick on.....

 

Give over with this.  We're not Arsenal fans. Too much using the language of the enemy - entitlement, expectation, Let's talk decency, responsibility and putting the club first. FWIW I agree that Rafa is under no illusions at this point, but ultimately this 'we're Newcastle United ffs' rhetoric won't sit well with him imo.

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The fact that both sides have felt the need to come out and state their case in public is exactly why most of us with eyes are concerned. This wouldn't be happening if all was well, and it's laughable that this needs pointing out. Be more positive ffs. :rolleyes:

 

yeah ashley doing that yesterday has tipped the scales imo, had he kept his fucking wretched mouth shut there was the hope things might have been ok but he's gone there to send a power message to rafa about who the boss is

 

won't end well now

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Worn down by Ashley. Ashley lowering expectations. Is it an age thing, or an entitlement thing? Does anybody  really think Fat Mike has brainwashed the more recent generation?  How do you reconcile the rest of our history in living memory?to my mind,  we had a great promotion season with Keegan. Then we had hope and shared values and a sense (by and large/with moaning exceptions) of something building. We looked good for a year, equalled a record by finishing third. There was something coming, something we could be proud of. It amounted to one season where we looked like the best side in the country. We were setting records building/filling huge stands. Cranking up debt. The next season, looked good on paper; never really in it on grass (Barca excluded). Even with the slight Robson Renaissance, that is it. We are not entitled to be pushing into the top fours' noses. Five years out of 25 years, if you're a 92er, sounds a reasonable proportion of time to be in and around the top. Would be lovely to be there again. But add the previous 25 years and we have over 50 years with 5 of them top four bothering. 11 of them in a lower league. When Ashley says we are Newcastle  United  (with self/club depreciating undertones) why are we chucking toys out left right and centre?  Other than it is him, saying anything (other than here is some cash/gift/loan). I get ambition. I get pride. Growing up I never had expectations we would beat everyone or even play at the top level but I wouldn't be out sung and I wouldn't run away. Basically the things I could control I would try to, in support of the team. The city.  No point fretting over stuff we can't control. Times have been much worse.

 

I completely disagree with the bit in bold but using this logic, shouldn't we be saying the same thing about Southampton and us? Burnley and us? Brighton and us? Bournemouth and us? We're the 7th or 8th richest club in the league, those clubs should not be 'entitled' to rival us then?

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We are not entitled to be pushing into the top fours' noses.

 

 

Alreet Mike?

Entitlement: believing that we're inherently deserving of something as a right, our special privilege.

 

Alreet Pards?

 

Who believes that we be "pushing into the top fours' noses"?

 

I'll be happy if we finish 15th.

I'd be happy with top ten and content with 15th. I can recall being delighted with Keegan's vision, drive and reaching for the stars; not settling for 'consolidation' type rhetoric. But now that is exactly what we need to have in mind. Consolidating. Balancing the books, reaching but not tipping over. With that in mind other than it being him saying it, and how disaffected most are with him, what has Ashley actually said that is so toxic? If it isn't what he has said and is more the function of it (power play with the media/countering Rafa's recent interviews) then I get the anxiety but don't personally see it as a threat to Rafa's tenure. I would prefer it if the two of them had a closer 'from the same hymn sheet' approach to media releases, but that said I am also pleased that Ashley has by all accounts pulled out of day to day involvement/decision making in the club. Meaning they don't really have a relationship, working or otherwise. So guess we can't have it both ways.

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Well for a start Charnley wouldn't know his own opinion if it gave him a haircut and so is an extension of Ashley's involvement; he's only stepped back in the sense he's told us that. When he says  'we're not Man City or competing with countries' it completely misses what anyone is getting at. Use the clubs own money available fine, realise that it will take (more) time; okay, it's first season back let's consolidate - but the tone is such that he seems to genuinely believe 'We're Newcastle United ffs' is the bottom line and that's the only way of looking at it. Those two extremes. Whether he is inarticulate moron or a calculating mastermind is by the by.

 

It's an horrendous way to undermine all the positive stuff Rafa has said so far about backing the team and biding our time as part of a project. Smacks of a complete lack of cohesion and co-operation at the top which precedent unfortunately shows one outcome with these dickheads. I'm very much trying to avoid second-guessing Rafa as I take him at his word but Ashley is nothing but a wrecking ball when it comes to pretty much anything.

 

Forget Keegan, Shepherd et al. at this juncture - it's all about working together to create positivity and drive the club forward. None of what he said was constructive yesterday, however 'honest' it is.

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:thup: to a lot of what's already been said.

 

It's not what he's said specifically; it's the fact he feels the need to come out and spout it. For such a recluse that wants to take a step back from the footballing operation, he still seems to want to stick his big fat face into it a whole lot.

 

How you can have watched the last ten years and go 'fuck it, at least we've got Rafa' is beyond me. Because with the way they're operating we won't have him much longer.

 

Never understood the idea that we're not supposed to want a stable, cohesive football club to support just because it was worse a few decades ago. The fleeting moments of hope and joy this club has given under the likes of Keegan and Robson surely makes this amateur hour even more infuriating when you know what it is capable of?

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'The fleeting moments of hope and joy this club has given under the likes of Keegan and Robson surely makes this amateur hour even more infuriating when you know what it is capable of?'

 

Say this Wormy and the pendulum immediately swings the other way to the Ashley sentiment of 'WTF do you want Man City ©' (copyright of the Regime) It's ludicrous. I'd like to remember the older times as a different era and focus on moving forward but any degree of foresight suggests that bedlam is never far enough away.

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He doesn't have the balls to face Rafa himself so goes on Sky to basically confront things which Rafa has issues with. The man is a complete and utter bellend, a total and utter embarrassment of a man. I bet he doesn't have one genuine friend.

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He doesn't have the balls to face Rafa himself so goes on Sky to basically confront things which Rafa has issues with. The man is a complete and utter bellend, a total and utter embarrassment of a man. I bet he doesn't have one genuine friend.

 

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Last night's game also shows in an attacking sense we are well behind most of the PL imo, hence the need for investment in the playing squad.

 

Vardy and co cost peanuts though? If the approach is right from everybody then theres no reason you cant compete.

 

I agree we are still a striker imo short of being stronger though

 

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He doesn't have the balls to face Rafa himself so goes on Sky to basically confront things which Rafa has issues with. The man is a complete and utter bellend, a total and utter embarrassment of a man. I bet he doesn't have one genuine friend.

 

Just this leech...

 

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:lol: Has anyone ever seen the back of Charnley's cue ball heed? Might be a Quirrell situation.

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More and more every day NUFC is an acronym for no use fucking crying.

 

I first attended games in my teens in the dark days of the late 80s when things were bleak.

 

We had the roller coaster 90s where we were able to far exceed expectations and the golden years of Robson where we again exceeded expectations.

 

Ashley has proven to be bad for us. He's struck gold in persuading Rafa to join in the first place, and sadly all of Ashley's chickens are coming home to roost after years of mismanagement. Players on wages that they wouldn't get anywhere else because they're dogshit and now we have to wait until their contracts run down or wait until someone is mad enough to take a chance on them.

 

Thing is, and I hate to say it but the snippets we've seen from Ashley's interview are right. We got promoted from the Championship by pretty much sustaining a Premier League operating model. We've probably now got a couple of years "transition" where we get rid of the deadwood and get back on a more level playing field with the rest of the division.

 

And anyone who doesn't think Rafa knows this is crackers. Yes I think he probably thought there would be more cash and it doesn't help that Penfold is inept but he sees it as a project. I do reckon the problem is more to do with the wage bill than anything else though.

 

Time to leave the bedwetting a few weeks. Get the transfer deadline out the way, see what we have then. For what it's worth I think we will be fine this season. Hopefully we will then kick on.....

 

This isn't a club that should ever think about 'just being fine'. Yes there is a lot of money at the top end of the league but also more modest sides that have over performed and let's not forget a tiny team winning the league. With modest investment and good management I have no doubt that we can punch above our weight. The message from Ashley is completely counter intuitive. He should be saying that he will put in some extra cash this season to make sure we don't struggle.

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Going off .com, we have spent £31.4m this summer. That's before you take into account incoming fees, and reduced wage bill etc. (if any one has an official figure for our net spend this summer feel free to pipe up)

 

Of course, there's additional costs to every transfer, but that fucking cunt is trying to tell us that for a club like us in this day and age with all the money that's being pumped into the game, plus his fortune (whether he likes to admit it or not), that he can't invest £50m in a SINGLE fucking transfer window? Is this a fucking joke?

 

We haven't even spent £50m and we are a newly promoted side. We are not in the position that Spurs find themselves in whereby we have a number of academy players that can make the step up- not even close. NO ONE at NUFC is screaming for a mega-money transfer, NO ONE has been demanding we go back to the days of signing the Michael Owen's of this world. Bullshit. But we need a squad that can compete and right now it is piss poor.

 

I don't know what the exact figure of the Sky money we will receive is, but it is a substantial figure. ONCE A FUCKING GAIN our club is being beaten with that horrific 'we can't compete, I'm basically broke you cunts, you're just lucky to have a club and it's all because of me' stick. The man is one of the most detestable human beings on this planet, and he doesn't know how lucky he is being able to hide behind Rafa (for now). He is totally dragging our club to the ground.

 

Anyone who sides with him, believes him, 'see's his point' is a fucking numpty. Yes, we have Benitez as our manager (which is brilliant), but the fact is that for so many years under this cunt (nearly a decade) we have just put up with his abuse of our club. Our fan base has tried to scold those who rejected Ashley's horrific negligence of Newcastle United in the past, constantly invested into the Ashley regime and embraced the mediocrity thrown our way. Quite frankly, (not all of us, but in general) we have the club we deserve right now.

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Last night's game also shows in an attacking sense we are well behind most of the PL imo, hence the need for investment in the playing squad.

 

Vardy and co cost peanuts though? If the approach is right from everybody then theres no reason you cant compete.

 

I agree we are still a striker imo short of being stronger though

 

I don't think Neesy mentioned the price on what was on show last night tbf, more so though the quality.

 

He's right though, we lack considerable quality in the final third. Even the ones we like (I.e the wingers)  are probably not good enough to compete with the top half of the PL.

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We are going into the season as it appears so far with what is essentially a Championship side that has has some incremental improvements to the squad as a whole. Rafa due to the financial constraints being discussed hasn't been able to do anything else. It might well be that the quality of the man might be enough to bring the performance of the side up a notch but I would be lying if I said I wasn't worried about a season long struggle to get wins and points.

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Seen a few posts on twitter and ashleyout is appearing again

 

You just know the media and other fans will run with this.

 

"Ashley says he can't compete with Man City, Newcastle fans want him out. Deluded geordies"

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Last night's game also shows in an attacking sense we are well behind most of the PL imo, hence the need for investment in the playing squad.

 

Vardy and co cost peanuts though? If the approach is right from everybody then theres no reason you cant compete.

 

I agree we are still a striker imo short of being stronger though

 

I don't think Neesy mentioned the price on what was on show last night tbf, more so though the quality.

 

He's right though, we lack considerable quality in the final third. Even the ones we like (I.e the wingers)  are probably not good enough to compete with the top half of the PL.

 

Yes i get that. But being well behind would mean investment.  We would need to buy cheap and hope they work out like Leicester did was how i was gearing the comment.

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When we last got promoted under Hughton, our incoming transfers that summer were:

 

- Dan Gosling (free)

- James Perch (£3m?)

- Sol Campbell (free)

- Cheik Tiote (£4m?)

- Hatem Ben Arfa (Loan)

 

That was in addition to January signings previously that year of:

- Danny Simpson(£750,000)

- Mike Williamson (£2m)

- Wayne Routledge (???)

- Leon Best (£1.5m)

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