Ronaldo Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 Maaaan, Best and Jonas are ridiculously overrated on here. Overrated based on what? Facts, perhaps? On they're skill level. Skill only gets you so far. You need a balance of skill and physical efficiency. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 Tiote and cabaye/guthrie vs giggs and carrick (as they are playing today) is promising. Just need an injury to vidic and rooney this week and were good to go Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 Be properly narked if they hammer us. Tired of getting humped at Old Trafford. -------------------------------- Krul --------------------------------- Simpson -------- STaylor ---------- Coloccini --------- RTaylor ------------------------------- Tiote -------------------------------- ------------------- Cabaye --------- Guthrie --------------------- -- Ba ------------------------------------------------------ Jonas -- ------------------------------- Best --------------------------------- Clear to me that we need to change something for the Manu game. Pack the midfield, cos it got overran today. Means dropping one of HBA or Jonas (assuming Best is fit again), and i would go for Jonas, due to his defensive attributes. Mental that you wouldn't play Ben Arfa after today. Pardew's already said that he'll be playing nowhere but up top. If he's not gonna play down the wing... and Best's fit... then he loses his place as far as i'm concerned. Why though? Because he can hold the ball up? Yeah. Would have liked to have seen how we did today with him in the side. If we'd had the ball in City's half for any more than the odd fleeting second*, we might have been level at half-time and it's a different game. That's not a detriment to Ben Arfa, who had a really good game, it's just the fact that Best holds onto the ball and Ba is good at dropping deep and playing the wings. It helped us go eleven games unbeaten, anyway. *or got more than about 27% altogether. We also may have been leading if Ba had taken his chances. So it could also have been a different game then. Chances go begging every single game - what has that got to do with playing HBA over Best? I don't really see your point, Tooj... We need to put three in the centre of midfield in my opinion because, regardless of Tiote's absence, we got overran there today (and i also think Guthrie deserves to keep his place). I think we should play Best because we need to hold onto the ball in the opposition's half more. I'd also play Jonas ahead of Ben Arfa because he is better from a defensive point of view, despite a thoroughly average performance from him today. Ba's one of the first names on the team sheet. That's my reasoning behind it, i don't think it's too radical thinking. I'm not debating that Ben Arfa played well today and i'm fully aware of his attributes, and how they could damage Man Utd. But in all honesty, i've got no problem ushering him back to the role of impact sub for next week. There's no harm in taking incremental steps with him; he'll get there. I wouldn't even be disappointed to see us revert back to the 'usual XI', if Obertan is fit. I mean, if we were gonna go 4-4-2 again, it would be nice to have HBA down the right ahead of Obertan. But apparantly that's never going to happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlacknWhiteArmy Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 We'll do well here. Excited for Hatem Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 Need to invoke the spirit of http://www.motivate.maths.org/conferences/conf73/Images/Andy%20O'Brien%2002.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 Expecting this Krul Simpson Saylor. Colo. Raylor Sammy. Tiote. Cabaye. Jonas Ben Arfa Ba Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 Think it'll be 2-1 to them. Couple of players back from injury will give us a much better chance though, for all Guthrie has been excellent since he was called upon, he's not Tiote. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 Yorkie - I really don't think we need to play three in the middle against Man Utd's central midfield. It's really nothing spectacular. We should go there with nothing to fear, we all know how great they have been at home over the years, but we shouldn't fear them. The team we played today have a better team, and we gave them a good game, and that was without Tiote. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 Expecting this Krul Simpson Saylor. Colo. Raylor Sammy. Tiote. Cabaye. Jonas Ben Arfa Ba Agree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 Didn't think Sammy was all that special today [awaits onslaught], so i'd be disappointed to see him start if Obertan and HBA are both available for the wing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 Me too, although I thought he was fantastic in the first half especially. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 If Best is out i'd like to see: Ba Jonas Ben Arfa Cabaye Guthrie Tiote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 Didn't think Sammy was all that special today [awaits onslaught], so i'd be disappointed to see him start if Obertan and HBA are both available for the wing. He was the pick of pretty poor bunch IMO along with HBA. It's refreshing to see him just play fearlessly. Put a shift in coming back too which after his "attempts" at doing so v Everton proved me totally wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 I thought he showcased what little we already know of him. Pace, running, fearlessness. I'm not saying he had a bad game by any stretch of the imagination, he was certainly one of our better players. Hate to bring up the two words, but there was no 'end product' to justify the label of 'fantastic'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 Didn't think Sammy was all that special today [awaits onslaught], so i'd be disappointed to see him start if Obertan and HBA are both available for the wing. I don't think Obertan will be fit and I think Pardew's gonna dig his heels in over not playing HBA wide but wont wanna drop him after today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 Tiote in for Guthrie and Santon in for Raylor, otherwise unchanged for me. Think we have a good chance too, better than against Man City, we should be able to boss the midfield to be honest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 Would kill for a point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 Would kill for a point. Cut out our mistakes and it's a possibility, I'm more confident about playing Man U than I was before today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto2005 Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 I hope. Krul Simpson Coloccini Santon Sammy Cabaye Jonas Hatem Ba Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 Is Fergie resting players for this btw? Giggs,Carrick,Ferdinand all playing today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 Is Fergie resting players for this btw? Giggs,Carrick,Ferdinand all playing today. Benfica? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeloEmre Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 Is Fergie resting players for this btw? Giggs,Carrick,Ferdinand all playing today. Hopefully those two are playing against us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 Is Fergie resting players for this btw? Giggs,Carrick,Ferdinand all playing today. Fergie always plays his strongest team against us, regardless of the match before and the match after. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 Is Fergie resting players for this btw? Giggs,Carrick,Ferdinand all playing today. Hopefully those two are playing against us. Damn right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 Is Fergie resting players for this btw? Giggs,Carrick,Ferdinand all playing today. Benfica? Ahh fair enough,is Young fit? Wouldn't be worried at all by today's man u midfield like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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