Teasy Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 (edited) One thing about VAR, it really should end any ideas of things like this just being mistakes. Can't argue it was a split second decision. They have time to review it from multiple replays. The bias is undeniable. Edited January 22, 2022 by Teasy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMLeazesender Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 I hope they pick up on the VAR decision tonite on MOTD - they do every other fucking time for everyone else! Ref was very poor throughout I thought. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 1 minute ago, DMLeazesender said: I hope they pick up on the VAR decision tonite on MOTD - they do every other fucking time for everyone else! Ref was very poor throughout I thought. Probably won't even get a replay of the challenge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nortoon Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 Kavanagh should have just worn a Leeds shirt today. Gave them absolutely everything while we got nothing. Even if the penalty incident didnt happen I'd have been absolutely furious at him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 Can hardly even be arsed to complain any more. It's one thing for refs to be bent, but how do you explain VAR looking out the window every time we have a penalty claim? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 thought cavani looked inches offside for their goal today. looked at the VAR line that shows him level - the line isnt even parallel to the pitch markings! its at a slight angle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbers Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 Disgrace that it wasn't a penalty like, but not surprising, again they aren't accountable for their decisions so they can do what the fuck they like. They don't even have to justify it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 Not a clue how ASM didn’t get a pen. VAR is utterly pointless when decisions like that are not made. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 Lol at that Big 6 offside VAR decision in favour of Man U as well btw. Could it be any more blatant? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 (edited) there really should be a monday press conference from the chief of the refs. they need to take questions and give explanations so clubs and the public understand whats been going on. it would also lead to more consistency if they knew decisions had to be explained. Edited January 23, 2022 by huss9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
snabelkabel Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 Seems VAR is not for football or fans, but a tool to protect the big clubs, just like FFP, and all the other anticompetative rules they put in place Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 Looking at it again I think I know what their reasoning will be. If you watch, ASM has his legs sweeped, but there's a moment after that but before he goes down where it looks like he has his footing sorted, before then losing it again. In real time I didn't think it was a pen, watching the replay it's a pen all day long, but I think that moment would have been their arbitrary (because it always fucking is) for not giving it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 On 20/12/2021 at 17:15, The Prophet said: Good thread on VAR. Assuming it's accurate this was a good thread for getting to grips with the process. I can understand Kavanagh not thinking it was a penalty but I'm not sure what he could have told the VAR team? If he thinks there was no contact and ASM slips then it surely gets overturned as it's obvious he hasn't seen it? There's no way the VAR team wouldn't have seen that as a penalty so the issue has to have been in the interpretation of Kavanagh's view of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 (edited) Maybe something like "there was contact but not enough to go down" which is obviously wrong, but proves enough to them that he saw it and therefore won't overturn it? Either way the process is a joke like, I'm just trying to properly understand how these things work. Edited January 23, 2022 by Hanshithispantz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Hanshithispantz said: Assuming it's accurate this was a good thread for getting to grips with the process. I can understand Kavanagh not thinking it was a penalty but I'm not sure what he could have told the VAR team? If he thinks there was no contact and ASM slips then it surely gets overturned as it's obvious he hasn't seen it? There's no way the VAR team wouldn't have seen that as a penalty so the issue has to have been in the interpretation of Kavanagh's view of it. This always has and will always be the problem with officiating in this country and I've been saying it for years. Everything begins with the premise that the referee is not capable of making an error, it's absurd. They've managed to negate the entire point of a video replay system by bolting on their victorian era disciplinarian bullshit under the premise that the referee is always right. Until they change that underlying premise we'll never get consistency. Edited January 23, 2022 by Dr Venkman Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 10 hours ago, huss9 said: there really should be a monday press conference from the chief of the refs. they need to take questions and give explanations so clubs and the public understand whats been going on. it would also lead to more consistency if they knew decisions had to be explained. No I much prefer the concept of giving referees 100% respect on all occasions no matter what, whilst they face not one ounce of accountability for their mistakes/corruption. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 It puzzles me that the pen wasn't given, because the contact is clear and obvious, and although the contact wasn't a strong one, it was enough for ASM to lose his footing when he was trying to change direction and get possession. It wasn't a dive or even an exaggeration. I can only think that it wasn't a conventional situation and VAR wasn't flexible enough to deal with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderson Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 The state of that pen decision against Palace vs our non-decision yesterday. Try not to be all tin foil hat when it comes to decisions going against us, but there's absolutely no chance a penalty isn't given yesterday if it was on Salah or similar. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 Beyond doubt there's something wrong. Two different professional referees have watched that in real-time and slow-motion from various angles and still decided that actually it was a penalty, even though they can see Jota step into the keeper. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 Jota had also already fucked up by miss-kicking, absolutely baffling decision that makes their 'high bar for intervention' bollocks look like even bigger joke. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 Can we list on page 1 VAR decisions/ non decisions that have been generally accepted as incorrect for or against us. Got so we’ve got an objective view on this. Being lazy I’ll go Madison penalty incorrectly given and then Fraser not being given a penalty against Man C and ASM against Leeds yesterday. There’s an argument that Armstrong’s penalty for Soton wasn’t clear and obvious but you can understand why they asked the ref to review it and overturn his decision. The only time I can say we were fortunate was the handball given against Dier but at the time it was a penalty under the very strict interpretation of the law. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, Tsunami said: Can we list on page 1 VAR decisions/ non decisions that have been generally accepted as incorrect for or against us. Got so we’ve got an objective view on this. Being lazy I’ll go Madison penalty incorrectly given and then Fraser not being given a penalty against Man C and ASM against Leeds yesterday. There’s an argument that Armstrong’s penalty for Soton wasn’t clear and obvious but you can understand why they asked the ref to review it and overturn his decision. The only time I can say we were fortunate was the handball given against Dier but at the time it was a penalty under the very strict interpretation of the law. Ronaldo’s sending off for the tackle on Fraser. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 West Ham pen was iffy wasn’t it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 Liverpool had a stone waller turned down when Lascelles threw Oxlade-Chamberlain over Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokerprince2004 Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 (edited) Could've had 3 penalties at Arsenal. Particularly Schar being pulled back off a corner Leicester won a penalty despite Maddison falling down before he was touched. Brighton got iffy penalty against Clark although that was a 50/50 Edited January 23, 2022 by Pokerprince2004 Just noticed you mentioned the Maddison one Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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