Dogawful Officiating

[Ace]

  On 14/04/2023 at 22:37, geordiesteve710 said:

 

We "imported" that Jared Gillett from Australia (granted he spent two years in the EFL before reffing Prem games) and he's one of the worst in the league.

 

There's something toxic in the English game which is absolutely fucking up the way VAR is used. It's certainly not abuse from the fans but I don't think it's because English refs are intrinsically or genetically blinder/more incompetent than other nationalities.

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I agree that they can in theory be good but the culture is toxic and needs to be changed.

 

it’s hard to grow good crops on bad land . 

[Ace]

  On 14/04/2023 at 21:27, Infatuation Junkie said:

 

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/var-overrule-goal-line-technology-29301011.amp

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Wow, if it’s true there was a malfunction it’s maybe not as bad. Was it actually the right decision when VAR corrected it? As it doesn’t say in the article 

 

Youd think with goal line tech it wouldn’t be hard to have an extra monitor on say the 4th official in case the refs didn’t work.

 

I also think talking to the crowd like in the NFL to explain what is going on would help everything. 

[Infatuation Junkie]

  On 15/04/2023 at 10:51, Ace said:

Wow, if it’s true there was a malfunction it’s maybe not as bad. Was it actually the right decision when VAR corrected it? As it doesn’t say in the article 

 

Youd think with goal line tech it wouldn’t be hard to have an extra monitor on say the 4th official in case the refs didn’t work.

 

I also think talking to the crowd like in the NFL to explain what is going on would help everything. 

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I seen the goal and the watch flash. Was blatantly a goal but not in sight of ref. VAR cameras couldn’t see it. 

[Infatuation Junkie]

All they had to do was manually place the ball over the line to check if there was an issue

[Stifler]

This is what they do. They do it so you don’t get those types of free kicks and the other teams do. The ones that are not controversial but gradually break the game up and slowly gives the momentum to one team.

[Wolfcastle]

  On 15/04/2023 at 12:59, Stifler said:

This is what they do. They do it so you don’t get those types of free kicks and the other teams do. The ones that are not controversial but gradually break the game up and slowly gives the momentum to one team.

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Palpably felt myself with that first dive and inevitable very soft free-kick in the second-half.

 

 

Edited April 15, 2023 by Wolfcastle

[joeyt]

Young not getting a yellow card today was criminal

[Pata]

No big decisions wrong but that was terrible, giving absolutely every decision to Villa.

[simonsays]

Just standard home team bias.  They would have won anyway

[Pata]

  On 15/04/2023 at 13:43, simonsays said:

Just standard home team bias.  They would have won anyway

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Yes they would have but it was still garbage. 'Standard home bias' shouldn't exist ffs.

[simonsays]

  On 15/04/2023 at 13:57, Pata said:

 

Yes they would have but it was still garbage. 'Standard home bias' shouldn't exist ffs.

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Agreed, but it does.  We benefit from it as much as anyone

[huss9]

they were chucking themselves to the floor in response to the slightest nudge - watkins in particular.

ref never got a grip.

 

not why we lost though, but it was frustrating.

[Rod]

  On 15/04/2023 at 22:37, huss9 said:

they were chucking themselves to the floor in response to the slightest nudge - watkins in particular.

ref never got a grip.

 

not why we lost though, but it was frustrating.

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Every time, and I mean every time a Villa player lost the touch of the ball they would fall over and get a free kick.  Every 50/50 tangle/cuddle Villa got a free kick.  Every time the Villa player was approached by the opposition they fell over and got a free kick.  That referee was feckin awful.

[Guest]

  On 15/04/2023 at 22:53, Rod said:

Every time, and I mean every time a Villa player lost the touch of the ball they would fall over and get a free kick.  Every 50/50 tangle/cuddle Villa got a free kick.  Every time the Villa player was approached by the opposition they fell over and got a free kick.  That referee was feckin awful.

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That was pretty much their game plan, that's why the comments about 'dark arts' flabbergasted me and how we are apparently the worst at it (or the best if you like) which from the evidence today we are clearly lacking in that department! 

However tactically it was a masterclass, it stopped us from getting into 2nd gear and demoralised us at times 

[El Prontonise]

We've had the same bias in some home games, that's how it flows sometimes. 

 

 

Edited April 16, 2023 by El Prontonise

[Ace]

  On 16/04/2023 at 00:15, El Prontonise said:

We've had the same bias in some home games, that's how it flows sometimes. 

 

 

 

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Which ones? 

[Nepharite]

 

 

 

Edited April 18, 2023 by Nepharite

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Pretty good. 

[Mr Pups]

  On 16/04/2023 at 19:29, Ace said:

Which ones? 

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i was thinking that the free kick for our 2nd goal against Man utd was a bit soft, think it was longstaff who was fouled, he bought it if you like, but then rashford got a softer one in the final which led to their opening goal. Apart from that I can't remember us getting many soft ones, certainly not on the scale of villa who must have set a record for players going down, especially against brushing or just a gust of air. it was reminiscent of football italia back in the day 

[pubteam]

  On 18/04/2023 at 19:39, Nepharite said:

 

 

 

 

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Hopefully it becomes commonplace at some point in the near future. That ref also seemed to be very respectful with his comments to players, issuing warnings and explaining his decisions. 

[80]

  On 18/04/2023 at 19:39, Nepharite said:

 

 

 

 

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That would be a major PR coup for refereeing.

[Conjo]

  On 18/04/2023 at 21:49, 80 said:

That would be a major PR coup for refereeing.

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Imagine a miced up Mike Dean 

[toon25]

  On 18/04/2023 at 19:39, Nepharite said:

 

 

 

 

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Absolutely brilliant, that. Seems like a decent bloke too - clearly trying to communicate in different languages to the players.

 

Stick him in the aforementioned, toxic, environment of PL officiating and I dare say he'd turn to shite.

 

Absolutely support the mic'ing of refs though.

[huss9]

  On 18/04/2023 at 19:39, Nepharite said:

 

 

 

 

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wow.

far too sensible, eloquent and sophisticated for the english game.

[Bimpy474]

We've done it before in our football, It was an Arsenal game and iirc David Elleray was the ref  and I think Tony Adams called him a cheat at one point.

 

Never understood why they didn't keep trialing it.