Holloway Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 18 minutes ago, Doc said: Who's, shirley? A matter of contention, I've chanted both Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 But surely the Who's would mean he didn't know who his father was indicating that he was a Bastard and How's just enquiring about his father's health. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 There's nothing wrong with VAR as long as those running it are competent and not corrupt/on the take. There is no excuse to get any decision wrong with the benefit of VAR. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 34 minutes ago, Skeletor said: There's nothing wrong with VAR as long as those running it are competent and not corrupt/on the take. There is no excuse to get any decision wrong with the benefit of VAR. You say that but there be incidents where it's still subjective. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abacus Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 9 minutes ago, duo said: You say that but there be incidents where it's still subjective. Correct, but that's where clear and obvious should come in. There were at least a couple that were clear and obvious yesterday. If it takes more than a few seconds, bin VAR off and just accept it's not perfect either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CallumG6 Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 All for VAR, correcting clear and obvious decisions, à la Digne last night, that is as clear and obvious as it gets. But when you’re checking offsides down to the millimetre, that can fuck right off. Clearly not an error on the linesman’s part to not see Willock’s fringe is offside last week against Spurs. There is a place for VAR, but in certain situations, Digne situation, yes, Willock’s, absolutely not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilcline Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 Nothing is going to change with VAR until, for starters, there's a clear definition of what "clear and obvious" actually means or there's a specific metric attached. "This didn't meet the bar for intervention" is a good one, what the fuck does that mean? Weasel words of the highest order written by officials, for officials to hide behind, to the detriment of the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 6 hours ago, alexf said: That Abraham goal I was calling offside in real time from the TV angle as it happened was so obvious. The lines man is looking along the fucking line from a static free kick. If you can't get that right then you have no chance with the fast moving non set piece offsides. There was another blatant one in the first half aswell that he didn't flag and it let to a passage of sustained attack from them and we had to get bodies in the way and eventually went for a corner. Burn just looked flabbergasted at lack of flag again, must be so hard as a defender when you have done your job perfectly and are let down by awful officiating. Not surprised Ramsey lost his shit after the 10th or so shit decision by that same linesman. It was close Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordiesteve710 Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 3 hours ago, Kilcline said: Nothing is going to change with VAR until, for starters, there's a clear definition of what "clear and obvious" actually means or there's a specific metric attached. "This didn't meet the bar for intervention" is a good one, what the fuck does that mean? Weasel words of the highest order written by officials, for officials to hide behind, to the detriment of the game. It means there's a red team playing and they've got away with one Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 6 hours ago, Skeletor said: There's nothing wrong with VAR as long as those running it are competent and not corrupt/on the take. There is no excuse to get any decision wrong with the benefit of VAR. Don't, please don't get me started. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 5 hours ago, duo said: You say that but there be incidents where it's still subjective. Like what? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 7 minutes ago, Rod said: Like what? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 (edited) 7 hours ago, duo said: Adam is spot on like We've been calling for the refs to "just get better" since the start of football. It's as if Igor Tudor came in at Tottenham with the solution "the players simply just needs to play better", and that's it. Edited February 15 by Erikse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucasol Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 I tell you what, Kavanagh definitely didn’t make me feel good for the first 60 minutes, the incompetent cunt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilcline Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 2 minutes ago, Nucasol said: I tell you what, Kavanagh definitely didn’t make me feel good for the first 60 minutes, the incompetent cunt. got absolute pelters off the wife when he was on the old Top of the Pops repeats on BBC Four the other week for knowing who he was and the song Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookie1892 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 Any apology or explanation yet from Kavanagh, the assistant or Webb and the PGMOL As someone mentioned above, it wasnt just the three major highlighted ones, there was more clearly offside decisions not given then fouls given against us for the same thing as the penalty incidents etc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordiesteve710 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 4 minutes ago, Cookie1892 said: Any apology or explanation yet from Kavanagh, the assistant or Webb and the PGMOL As someone mentioned above, it wasnt just the three major highlighted ones, there was more clearly offside decisions not given then fouls given against us for the same thing as the penalty incidents etc That's a good point. It wasn't just the major decisions, it was glaring inconsistencies in what was or wasn't a foul. Makes it harder for the players to judge what they can ir can't get away with. I don't rate him at all as a ref. Going back to the Schar sending off against Southampton and even the recent nonsense of disallowing a perfectly good Man City goal last month. He's completely out of his depth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 15 hours ago, Skeletor said: There's nothing wrong with VAR as long as those running it are competent and not corrupt/on the take. There is no excuse to get any decision wrong with the benefit of VAR. ...but the officials aren't competent and the authorities answer is to increase VAR's scope. So their answer is to double down with more interference from incompetent officials. More standing around in stadiums, less goals to instinctively celebrate, yet more damage to the spirit of the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abacus Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 Interestingly Peter Walton was suggesting after the Villa game some version of VAR lite for future 5th rounds. He only talked about it re the handball incident. Fewer cameras (4-8), fewer personnel, quicker and cheaper to set up. It would only pick up the biggest errors such as at Villa. It doesn't really excuse the officials from making mistakes in the first place, but there's a better chance it stops something really obvious getting through. Which begs the question to me then as to whether it would be a better option than actual VAR for all games, if we're content at the same time to let more marginal errors go for the sake of the flow of the game. I get not everyone would be happy with that, but there are errors and interference in the current full fat VAR system anyway in the aim of spurious precision. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Displayname Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 (edited) 15 hours ago, Kilcline said: Nothing is going to change with VAR until, for starters, there's a clear definition of what "clear and obvious" actually means or there's a specific metric attached. "This didn't meet the bar for intervention" is a good one, what the fuck does that mean? Weasel words of the highest order written by officials, for officials to hide behind, to the detriment of the game. A clear definition could be that the VAR people have to be certain within 10 seconds that the refs decision was wrong. No drawing up the lines and looking at a situation from 10 different angles in slow mo. Can be given a bit more time when it comes to decisions regarding red cards and pens, just let us celebrate our goals. Edited February 16 by Displayname Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 I’d actually like to bring back judgement, like if a player gained advantage from offside or did a deliberate handball. But can’t see that working well with people mistrusting officials so much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 We can't be far away from just replacing all the referees with AI. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 I’d actually like to bring back judgement, like if a player gained advantage from offside or did a deliberate handball. But can’t see that working well with people mistrusting officials so much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilcline Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 31 minutes ago, Displayname said: A clear definition could be that the VAR people have to be certain within 10 seconds that the refs decision was wrong. No drawing up the lines and looking at a situation from 10 different angles in slow mo. Can be given a bit more time when it comes to decisions regarding red cards and pens, just let us celebrate our goals. Yeah, something based on time is where I'd generally be at, simple to implement and easy to understand, which of course means it won't happen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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