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At least Pardew acknowledged after the match that the change of formation helped us get the win. :thup:

 

Agreed thats one of the things ( many things) i like about Pardew when he makes a mistake he usually rectifies and accepts he was wrong.

 

I just hope we use that going forward and don't keep having to change to it when things get bad just keep to it.

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:thup: Says alot that the only way Spurs could stop him, was constantly tripping him up.

 

Pity MOTD didn't show him getting both their central midfielders booked in the space of 3 minutes.

 

That was great. Shame it took till the second half before we started seeing the benefit of it. Always good to have both opposing centre mids playing with a bit of restraint.

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Needs to make sure he is up for the game too from what we have heard  :undecided:

 

Brilliant when he wants to be though (like today).

 

And what have we heard?

 

Not being "up for it" is not something I've associated with him at all.

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I really don't get why some of us need to focus on the negatives even when our players do well. When Ba scored, some are focussing on how he apparently stropped off after HBA took the penalty as is therefore not a team player. When HBA scored (and played well), apparently he's only up for some games. Can't we just enjoy the victory and keep the pessimism away for one day.

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Article on ESPN :

 

"Andre Villas-Boas is fascinated by tactics. Hatem Ben Arfa seems to ignore them. Newcastle's win against Tottenham can seem a triumph of free spirit against control freak, but it gave an inkling of how the Portuguese's Spurs will set up and the Frenchman's impact - positive and negative - on United's shape.

 

Demba Ba, who had sacrificed himself on the left wing when they played 4-3-3, was back in his favoured role as a striker in 4-4-2. The man to suffer initially was Ben Arfa, pushed out to the right wing, though he is far from a conventional winger. When he first made an impact, it was by moving into his preferred territory of the centre of the pitch. It had the extra advantage of adding unpredictability; Sandro was promptly cautioned for halting one slaloming solo run illegally. Another resulted in Ba shooting just wide. Take a freeze frame of Newcastle's positions at that point and, with Papiss Demba Cisse in the middle, their shape resembled 4-3-3.

 

Perhaps it influenced what happened next because Alan Pardew formalised a change back to 4-3-3. Thereafter, all three goals could be attributed to Ben Arfa's roaming. In the first half, he made Newcastle asymmetrical. Jonas Gutierrez, who provides much more tactical discipline, played as an orthodox left winger, directly in front of Davide Santon. In both halves, right-back Danny Simpson had to provide width in attack on his flank.

 

When Newcastle led, it was Simpson who advanced into the area Ben Arfa - whether in a four-man midfield or three-man forward line - chose not to occupy often and crossed and, after Kyle Walker failed to clear, Ba scored. That showed the merit of isolating a larger centre forward against a full-back at the far post and, while he endured a goal drought in that role last season, of using Ba in a wider role, though more inside-left than outside-left.

 

Yet Ben Arfa's reluctance to defend meant Simpson had to deal with Gareth Bale or, after a change of wings, Aaron Lennon on his own. When Spurs levelled, Jermain Defoe scoring at the second attempt from Lennon's cross, it was after the England international jinked away from a static Ben Arfa, who did not attempt a challenge. The better part of his game came when, materialising on the left wing, he induced a foul from Lennon and Rafael van der Vaart and converted the resulting penalty. Everything revolved around him and it illustrated that Pardew's challenge is to find a shape where Ben Arfa's talent enables him to win matches and his wanderlust does not result in Newcastle losing them."

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Needs to make sure he is up for the game too from what we have heard  :undecided:

 

Brilliant when he wants to be though (like today).

 

And what have we heard?

 

Not being "up for it" is not something I've associated with him at all.

 

Just what Pardew said about him either being really happy or not happy at all and there is nothing they can do to change it :dontknow: just concerns me.

 

I have said numerous times that despite being exceptional in attack that he is also amazing in defence as he gets back and takes the ball of players with ease so I am definitely not having a dig at his work rate. What I said above did come across a lot harsher than I meant it though, just have this worry one of our more exceptional players could self destruct. Sure I am not the only one slightly concerned but I love him all the same (which is why I don't want it to go wrong).

 

:thup: Says alot that the only way Spurs could stop him, was constantly tripping him up.

 

BBC news before MOTD the presenter said something like 'in a week of soft penalties' then showed the HBA pen, yeah getting hacked by TWO players inside the box is pretty weak tbh, he did't break a bone or anything the pansy!

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Needs to make sure he is up for the game too from what we have heard  :undecided:

 

Brilliant when he wants to be though (like today).

 

And what have we heard?

 

Not being "up for it" is not something I've associated with him at all.

 

Just what Pardew said about him either being really happy or not happy at all and there is nothing they can do to change it :dontknow: just concerns me.

 

I have said numerous times that despite being exceptional in attack that he is also amazing in defence as he gets back and takes the ball of players with ease so I am definitely not having a dig at his work rate. What I said above did come across a lot harsher than I meant it though, just have this worry one of our more exceptional players could self destruct. Sure I am not the only one slightly concerned but I love him all the same (which is why I don't want it to go wrong).

 

:thup: Says alot that the only way Spurs could stop him, was constantly tripping him up.

 

BBC news before MOTD the presenter said something like 'in a week of soft penalties' then showed the HBA pen, yeah getting hacked by TWO players inside the box is pretty weak tbh, he did't break a bone or anything the pansy!

 

Aye puzzled me that...the geet tit.

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As a follow-on from last season, another key moment with him out left.

 

If we have to play 4-4-2, it might be nice to see him left, and maybe Marv right. Playing him right in a 4-4-2 encourages him to cut in and shoot, which isn't what you always want when you're playing two strikers.

 

I would still prefer a free role in a 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 though.

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Glad to hear Pardew say he wasn't exactly comfortable with some of the things HBA does on the pitch but he won't try to change it, the lad needs freedom and he certainly utilised it yesterday.

 

:thup:

 

I don´t want him in a system. I just loved him yesterday when he just took control of the game, when no one else did it, and was just everywhere. Without him we wouldn´t have won.

 

Ben Arfa 1 - Spurs 0 :aww:

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