Ameritoon Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 He wasn't great, but I hardly expect him to be able to provide all our creativity every match. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainhaircut Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 He's too deep almost all of the time. He needs to be freed up. We should be playing him high up the pitch for three reasons. 1. He can control the ball, so we can ping it into him and he's a good out ball. 2. He'll be committing defenders rather than midfielders when he skins them. 3. If we win the ball high up the pitch, he'll tear teams apart. As it is, he's far too deep so when he beats a player, he looks up and there's another one there. We should be giving him a free role to do whatever he wants. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 Thought he was poor today tbh. He had nothing to work with, even when he was given the ball he usually had 3 or 4 players around him and he was getting the ball when he had players right up to him rather than in space. He's one player and we're far too reliant on him because of our deficiencies elsewhere. Dont disagree with any of that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 Teams know they can double/treble/quadruple up on him in midfield because the other three pose no threat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 Teams know they can double/treble/quadruple up on him in midfield because the other three pose no threat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingcrofty Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 Teams know they can double/treble/quadruple up on him in midfield because the other three pose no threat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 This lad got completely fucked by his teammates and our lack of movement today. It's fucking criminal how slowly we move the ball around in the opponent's half and it's always ridiculously systematic and almost never goes through the middle. This is a problem when we don't play our only player who can really cross a ball (ferguson). Hatem has saved our asses all season but he can't do it everytime. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 Another who benefits from the 4-3-3, he's picking the ball up too deep and usually has to beat three or four players when he gets the ball. Naturally he manages this occasionally as he's absolutely immense, but he's wasted as a wide man in a 4-4-2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
binnsy Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 Was abysmal today, everyone can have an off day so not going to be too hard on him but he gets far too much arse licking on here, everyone making excuses for him blaming other players and the team etc. When he plays bad say he played bad. The thing that makes it more annoying is the resting of him in the league cup, he would probably have tore that man u back four to bits and we'd have had a great chance of going through but then after being rested follows it up with his worst display of the season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 Should have squared it to Demba. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudil Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 He still looked our most dangerous player. So really to single him out as bad after that team performance? stupid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 Was abysmal today, everyone can have an off day so not going to be too hard on him but he gets far too much arse licking on here, everyone making excuses for him blaming other players and the team etc. When he plays bad say he played bad. The thing that makes it more annoying is the resting of him in the league cup, he would probably have tore that man u back four to bits and we'd have had a great chance of going through but then after being rested follows it up with his worst display of the season. I thought he had his worst game for a while, which was mostly due to the rest of the team but they had too much success down his side of the pitch. Still he gets too much arse licking on here? Really? He's won us half the points we've made this season! (if not more actually) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ameritoon Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 Was abysmal today, everyone can have an off day so not going to be too hard on him but he gets far too much arse licking on here, everyone making excuses for him blaming other players and the team etc. When he plays bad say he played bad. The thing that makes it more annoying is the resting of him in the league cup, he would probably have tore that man u back four to bits and we'd have had a great chance of going through but then after being rested follows it up with his worst display of the season. I don't think anyone is denying he was poor, it's just not much of a worry considering his recent form. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 "abysmal" Fucking hell man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 Was abysmal today, everyone can have an off day so not going to be too hard on him but he gets far too much arse licking on here, everyone making excuses for him blaming other players and the team etc. When he plays bad say he played bad. The thing that makes it more annoying is the resting of him in the league cup, he would probably have tore that man u back four to bits and we'd have had a great chance of going through but then after being rested follows it up with his worst display of the season. How was he abysmal? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
binnsy Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 Was abysmal today, everyone can have an off day so not going to be too hard on him but he gets far too much arse licking on here, everyone making excuses for him blaming other players and the team etc. When he plays bad say he played bad. The thing that makes it more annoying is the resting of him in the league cup, he would probably have tore that man u back four to bits and we'd have had a great chance of going through but then after being rested follows it up with his worst display of the season. I thought he had his worst game for a while, which was mostly due to the rest of the team but they had too much success down his side of the pitch. Still he gets too much arse licking on here? Really? He's won us half the points we've made this season! (if not more actually) not denying he has won us half our points and i think he's fantastic and one of my favourite players but just read too much rubbish, if he plays poorly(like today) just say so without making excuses for him and blaming others. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
binnsy Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 Was abysmal today, everyone can have an off day so not going to be too hard on him but he gets far too much arse licking on here, everyone making excuses for him blaming other players and the team etc. When he plays bad say he played bad. The thing that makes it more annoying is the resting of him in the league cup, he would probably have tore that man u back four to bits and we'd have had a great chance of going through but then after being rested follows it up with his worst display of the season. How was he abysmal? his passing, shooting, decision making, dribbling and defensive play were all way off his usual standard. Put it this way i doubt we'll be seeing a compliation video from the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 He wasn't great, and too much of their threat came down his flank for him to be absolved of blame but he wasn't 'abysmal', just too strong a word. He did one world class pass at least I saw, which may not sound like much but was more than everyone else managed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 his passing, shooting, decision making, dribbling and defensive play were all way off his usual standard. Put it this way i doubt we'll be seeing a compliation video from the game. He wasn't involved much and was marked out of the game, the lack of movement around him and the number of defenders on him isn't his fault. I only remember 1 shot which made the keeper work and I don't give a shit about his defending, especially when the problem was in the centre of defence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest VanBarduck Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 I notice something , that I want share about his dribbling which is his main quality , he succeded 4 dribble against Reading (all in the first period ) , a pretty good ratio ( actually the best dribbler in the league ) 5 against Norwich (again all in the first period ) , the thing is , he's less involved , less effective in second period , why ? 1st ; When the team start loosing the control of the game , he's less involved (reading ) 2nd ; When the team start playing long ball , or finding directly the two front striker , he's less involved ( second period Norwich ) 3rd ; When the tempo of the game is crazy (everton ) , he's a bit more sloppy , and less effective ( I personnaly think he's no quite adapted to the Premier League ) pardew will have to think pretty soon , Do I build a team WITH ben arfa playing in it , or Do I build a team FOR ben arfa .. Ba Cissé OR Ba Gutierrez Ben arfa Santon Ben Arfa Cabaye Tioté cabaye Santon-Colo-Taylor-Perch Tioté-Bigi Anita-Colo-Taylor-perch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 he isn't a right midfielder. he has looked good there at times because he has the talent to look a very good footballer almost anywhere on the pitch. play him in a more attacking role or on the left to get better from him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 he isn't a right midfielder. he has looked good there at times because he has the talent to look a very good footballer almost anywhere on the pitch. play him in a more attacking role or on the left to get better from him. Bloody hell, Madras is back. And right too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 he isn't a right midfielder. he has looked good there at times because he has the talent to look a very good footballer almost anywhere on the pitch. play him in a more attacking role or on the left to get better from him. Bloody hell, Madras is back. And right too. Good to see Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hatem garrincha Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 Tme to play him centrally behind the strikers, between the oppositions lines, in a free role. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 Fairly anonymous yesterday. When he's not on his game, our midfield is woefully uncreative. Other than the two goals, I can't think of another decent chance we created. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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