Optimistic Nut Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Am I the only one viewing that Gabby comment as a positive? First indication yet that he could be ready to use him on the wing instead of this 'only a number 10' business. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Am I the only one viewing that Gabby comment as a positive? First indication yet that he could be ready to use him on the wing instead of this 'only a number 10' business. Its not real man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 I don't see what harm playing him on the wing would do? I mean we're getting absolutely nothing from Obertan and we're still conceding goals for fun at the moment too so it's hardly going to get worse if Ben Arfa plays. He needs to start from the off though not these cameo roles where he has to make an immediate impact, needs to have time to have a real impact on the game. Playing him on the wing would mean he could persist with two strikers up front or play Vuckic behind the striker or he should just play Ben Arfa behind Ba. We need something different now, he needs to start. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Poor tactics last night. Let's bring on a #10, continue to play long, aimless balls that haven't been working all night and see what happens.. Showed why he should be starting out wide for us, everytime he beat someone in the middle of the pitch, he just got crowded out and lost it. Yet in wide positions once he beats his man, he is going to have room to work the ball. Obertan is so shite and Jonas has gone right off the boil. But Pards' knows best, HBA hasn't got the 'relish' to play out wide Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Wish he wouldn't drop so deep to pick the ball up, i know he wants to get involved but want him getting it on the edge of the area where he can get shots off or little passes into the likes of Ba. Do not want to see him coming to the halfway line and losing the ball trying to dribble past someone like he did in tonights game. He was the only one with the balls to do it though, the long ball shite wasn't working and Vuckic made himself available for a pass out of defence about twice all night. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
womblemaster Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 what harm playing him on the wing would do? hasnt HBA asked not to play htere? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 I reckon he doesn't want to play on the wing because he'll be more open to challenges- leg break in mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Players absolutely have to move when he's on the ball mind, he gets it and the majority just stand there and watch. Jonas being one of the worst culprits for it. It's a two way thing with Pardew, if he expects him to up his game in that no. 10 role, he's going to have to switch it round a bit tactically too. Good to see him looking so sharp though, looked like his old nimble self on the ball. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deckard 13 Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 what harm playing him on the wing would do? hasnt HBA asked not to play htere? I'm sure he was told he would play the "No 10" in the team and even when he first joined he said thats where he saw himself playing, not dissimilar from what Nasri said during his time at Arsenal. Although he doesn't really look capable of that role in the current set up. My biggest problem with him is that he is yet ANOTHER ball carrier, which is not a criticism of his play and would be fine if we didn't already have two static widemen who can't/won't run anywhere without the ball at their feet. Two players who offer very little attacking threat and seem invisible until they're given the chance to run a bit and either fall down, or do a few step overs and pass back to the full back. But it does mean that when he's attacking he's only ever going to have Ba as a viable attacking option since our wide men won't find space or break into the box. I think thats why far to often we see him try and take on 3 men, simply due to lack of options. Really, he needs to start in place of Obertan (not sure anyone disagrees on that) But Pardew seems reluctant to upset the defensive balance, and after conceeding 10 in the last 4 games i don't think he's going to chance that stance at the moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Players absolutely have to move when he's on the ball mind, he gets it and the majority just stand there and watch. Jonas being one of the worst culprits for it. It's a two way thing with Pardew, if he expects him to up his game in that no. 10 role, he's going to have to switch it round a bit tactically too. Good to see him looking so sharp though, looked like his old nimble self on the ball. Jonas stopped making forward runs off the ball a while ago, maybe when Enrique left. He used to do it quite a lot when he first arrived, not sure what has happened in that area. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujpest doza Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 He did well when he came on but needs to stop trying to do everything himself and stop coming back to the 18 yard line to pick up the ball off our centre halves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 He did well when he came on but needs to stop trying to do everything himself and stop coming back to the 18 yard line to pick up the ball off our centre halves. He has to collect the ball deep if it's being launched over his head the whole time though, no? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Lovely ball for Ba's second goal. Partly for the execution, but mainly for having the imagination to see the possibility. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 He did well when he came on but needs to stop trying to do everything himself and stop coming back to the 18 yard line to pick up the ball off our centre halves. He does, but it's a blinkered criticism. Would you prefer he took up his position with Ba, Vuckic, Jonas and Obertan on the edge of the opponents box and waited for long balls? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benwell Lad Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Lovely ball for Ba's second goal. Partly for the execution, but mainly for having the imagination to see the possibility. Moments like that separate him from mere mortal footballers. He is capable of Messi/Beardsley esque moments and we must find a way to accomodate him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BEN BEN BEN ARFA Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 we saw right away the difference in attack when he replaced BEST some nice action but lacks speed and automation with its partners But to do that it must play Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Has to start now. Still get annoyed with how long he takes to release the ball but is still far better than anyone else bar Ba in the team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Lovely ball for Ba's second goal. Partly for the execution, but mainly for having the imagination to see the possibility. I was expecting him to just take the volley on, or bring it down and work it onto his left, think WBA players were as well. Class Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 I still stand up when he gets the ball. Even if I'm sitting watching the computer, thus impairing my view GOT to start against Bolton. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoSelecta Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 You'd think he must set the training pitch alight the way all the players just stop and gawp when he gets the ball. Ofcourse he's not training aswell as Sammy and Shola though...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LesPaul Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Still don't see my II in the title :'( Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Crime against football not starting the little maestro. Truly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John P Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Has he ever played on the right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Still don't see my II in the title :'( Took me 10 minutes on photoshop that led zep picture! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hatem garrincha Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Has he ever played on the right? Yes. He's not a "pure" winger - the kind of player who will run along the line and deliver crosses in the box (he's reluctant to do so, we even saw that yesterday) That's why he's more useful on the right, if he has to play out wide. That allow him to express his creativity more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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