Segun Oluwaniyi Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 I think because MYM looks comfortable on the ball and possesses many of the qualities that traditionally CB's don't have, we are falling into the trap of actually thinking that he could be a could player for us. Santon also looks like he should be a good player, and yet defensively I don't think I've seen a worse full back in 40 years of watching Newcastle. Not that any of them have been great, but our other two leftbacks are just as bad if not worse. Yanga-Mbiwa has had a few mistakes, but you expect this from a 23-24 year old new to league. He has not been given a chance to grow and adapt at all. It is not even as though we brought him along slow. The manager is discarding of him at the first opportunity. It is not as though he has been catastrophic, either. This is not Gerald Cid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 I'm no less guilty than any football supporter for making decisions about players/managers that's not really based on enough contextual information - none of us like watching someone step straight in and struggle straight off the bat - but sometimes when a player has very proven pedigree at a high standard, it's better to give him an opportunity to get himself up to the required level in a new environment than stamp our feet and tell mammy that we want a new one. http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,62189.0.html Think on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 The first post in that thread man, my God! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 The land of calamari sandwiches Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 The first post in that thread man, my God! The first few pages in this thread make for good reading. The desperation to sign him is horrible to read knowing what we know now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 You don't even need to look that far back. Just the beginning of the season, there were already people wanting Simpson back instead of Debuchy and wanted him sold. Given time to adapt, he then proved himself to be an impressive player. Despite showing signs of what he could do (Spurs' goalline clearance, recovery pace, reading of the game, comfort on the ball) and a string of good performances with a settling CB partner, Mapou was canned immediately in favour of the returning Colo. Pardewed, not given game time, openly scapegoated for losses, missing out on the WC, it's no surprise his confidence has been affected. And people are agreeing he should be sold ffs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 You don't even need to look that far back. Just the beginning of the season, there were already people wanting Simpson back instead of Debuchy and wanted him sold. Given time to adapt, he then proved himself to be an impressive player. Despite showing signs of what he could do (Spurs' goalline clearance, recovery pace, reading of the game, comfort on the ball) and a string of good performances with a settling CB partner, Mapou was canned immediately in favour of the returning Colo. Pardewed, not given game time, openly scapegoated for losses, missing out on the WC, it's no surprise his confidence has been affected. And people are agreeing he should be sold ffs. Not sure that's quite right. He was accused of looking little better than Simpson, and rightly so IMO. Obviously he improved massively. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 You don't even need to look that far back. Just the beginning of the season, there were already people wanting Simpson back instead of Debuchy and wanted him sold. Given time to adapt, he then proved himself to be an impressive player. Despite showing signs of what he could do (Spurs' goalline clearance, recovery pace, reading of the game, comfort on the ball) and a string of good performances with a settling CB partner, Mapou was canned immediately in favour of the returning Colo. Pardewed, not given game time, openly scapegoated for losses, missing out on the WC, it's no surprise his confidence has been affected. And people are agreeing he should be sold ffs. Not sure that's quite right. He was accused of looking little better than Simpson, and rightly so IMO. Obviously he improved massively. Pretty sure there were a few wanting so. He did look awful but my point was that thankfully we gave him chances and he had the opportunity to adapt and show what a good player he is. Not so for Mapou. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Away Toon Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 I don't think people are advocating that he should be sold, just that the jury is out on whether or not he has the ability to become a good premier league defender. Ability is the wrong word, that he has, but it's not enough to guarantee he will be a success. He looks like he is very much a confidence player, and playing in our defence with the lack of protection from midfield and an imbecile for a manager is not going to do him any favours. While Pardew stays as manager he should move on, as should any player with ability and ambition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 still praying to all the gods for a loan move away, hopefully no-one will match his wages in france and he'll end up back in a year with a real manager Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 Unless you have shown immense potential at a young age like the Messis and the Ronaldos, there is no guarantee that a player will become good or adapt to a league. Least you could do is to give him matches and a chance to prove himself and we didn't even do that. Confidence player? What an over-rated and over-used term. Heck, if I'm treated that shite, I would lose all confidence too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 Jury is not out at all, he was class everytime he played CB with Williamson. The only thing the jury maybe out on is his ability to fit with any type of CB but as a defender in general it's not. Not the lads fault he's hardly played in his position since with the partner that clearly worked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 Amazing the midfield has a - supposedly good, according to the majority on here - defensive midfielder, in addition to Anita who's duites are mainly of a defensive nature yet we're still talking about the lack of protection for the defence. The sooner we see Tiote and Coloccini out of that side the better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 Midfield is an utter joke as well, said for a while even with Cabaye i had issues with it. But that's a discussion for another day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 Amazing the midfield has a - supposedly good, according to the majority on here - defensive midfielder, in addition to Anita who's duites are mainly of a defensive nature yet we're still talking about the lack of protection for the defence. The sooner we see Tiote and Coloccini out of that side the better. your propensity to isolate individuals from the chaos surrounding the team comes to the fore again dude...pardew has one plan and when it works the defence is protected fine and well enough by those players, problem is the plan is shite and when teams don't roll over to allow us to play it everything falls apart in all areas i don't attribute this in the main to the individual Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 Listen here my good mate, I'm just saying MYM and Anita are players we should be building a team and a footballing philosophy around, but both are likely to be marginalised (at best) because, in part, of the lack of ability and leadership of the players directly alongside them in the side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 Listen here my good mate, I'm just saying MYM and Anita are players we should be building a team and a footballing philosophy around, but both are likely to be marginalised (at best) because, in part, of the lack of ability and leadership of the players directly alongside them in the side. agree for the most part, as usual i firmly believe the tiote/colo (and others tbf) negatives could be better mitigated with a better manager/coaching setup but in an ideal world aye they'd not even be starting Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 True enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segun Oluwaniyi Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 Tiote has been a very poor player for a while now. Flashy tackler, but leaves gaps defensively and is not assured with the ball in his own half at all, imo. It is one things to do pirouettes and the like when you never loses the ball, but he is robbed at least once a game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 Man, imagine Anita in a good passing team Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 Man, imagine Anita in a good passing team kind of amazed one of them don't take a punt on him tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 Fucking short sided stupid decision by this shambles of a setup we have for this club we support. Sickens me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 I was told that Mbiwa is an 'absolute freak' and a 'fucking weirdo' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 I was told that Mbiwa is an 'absolute freak' and a 'fucking weirdo' Blob Jelliott needs to learn to keep his fucking mouth shut. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolution Number 9 Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 Mr Newcastle our first-choice CB next season then Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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