Jack Flash Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 If we were willing to spend £15+million on Aubergine then where did that money go? We couldn't replace Shola for that much? Don't even know why I'm thinking so much about it. They themselves don't even believe what they've said. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 Not wanting to bang my own drum, but was first caller (just after 10mins) on Total Sport tonight. Here's a link if anyone wants to listen and pull me to pieces! ;-) http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p01fjdqy/Total_Sport_03_09_2013/ Hahahaha that was you that said he was raping the club? Simon Pryde wasn't happy like but you made perfectly valid points. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 Don't even know why I'm thinking so much about it. They themselves don't even believe what they've said. That's it, they don't even try to hide it now. Just brazen, contradictory lies...constantly. That Independent article just says what most people thought/feared. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mofo Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/comment-alan-pardew-defends-joe-kinnear-but-fails-to-hide-the-significant-cracks-in-newcastle-foundations-8796917.html Comment: Alan Pardew defends Joe Kinnear but fails to hide the significant cracks in Newcastle foundations Loan signing of Loic Remy was the only new arrival at St James' Park this summer Martin Hardy Tuesday 03 September 2013 The uneasy truce came at three o'clock on Tuesday, 16 hours after the transfer window had shut. In it, Alan Pardew spoke of being in an "optimistic frame of mind," of "exciting partnerships" and said that Joe Kinnear, the Newcastle director of football, had "worked hard on numerous targets." Last week Pardew had said there was money to spend, regardless of Yohan Cabaye's future. Two weeks ago, Pardew had stressed Newcastle needed to get "one or two transfers over the line before deadline." Nothing happened, but the power struggle is such at St James' Park that there is a need for caution from Pardew. He cannot say that he wished the club had landed Darren Bent. He cannot express frustration that his squad has added a little bit of quality in Loic Remy and lost even more depth after being pruned. Pardew's position is way too precarious for that kind of attack. A beast of a football club walks on egg shells. Only Kinnear feels confident enough in his role to ride roughshod over the airwaves, although even he has lost the gusto that saw proclaim to the world that he would make Newcastle better and stronger upon his appointment, lest we forget, on a three-year deal, back in June, when what little semblance of sense at this football club ended. His first act as director of football was to block a move that had taken 12 months to set up for the central defender Douglas. Graham Carr, the chief scout who Mike Ashley, the Newcastle owner, personally gave an eight year contract, was ready to walk because of it. It is thought there was a deal close to completion on Monday for a wide midfielder as the clock ticked towards 11 o'clock. Again it stumbled at the finishing post. The ramifications of that remain to be seen. James McCarthy was a target until reality dawned that Cabaye would not fetch £25 million and Wigan would not sell for less than £12 million. Bafetimbi Gomis was close but could not be completed. Just over 46,000 saw Newcastle struggle past an unadventurous and uninspired Fulham on Saturday, 5,000 less than watched the corresponding fixture just under five months ago. That is a drop of almost 1,000 fans a month. No club can afford that kind of haemorrhaging. More than 11 per cent of St James' Park was empty for the second home game of the season. There is growing unrest, borne out by those figures. Ashley raged at last season's failure. A season after finishing fifth, Newcastle were perilously close to being relegated. Derek Llambias, the chief executive, resigned. Pardew was punished with the appointment of Kinnear, who is still the manager in waiting. The existing manager will not walk, so he treads an uneasy path. He was also handed an eight-year contract. There is a desire not to face another huge pay-off. Kinnear, it can now be argued, has succeeded. 2013 will go down as the summer of smoke and mirrors. His words filled the space where signings were expected to go. Privately, Ashley fumed at having to spend a total of £33 million to land five players, Moussa Sissoko, Yoan Gouffran, Massadio Haidara, Mathieu Debuchy and Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa, in the January transfer window. Two of those deals were supposed to happen this summer but the threat of relegation increased their need (and their expense). Newcastle were never going to be major players in the transfer market this summer. The bluster of Kinnear hid that unsettling truth to Newcastle supporters. There was never a pot of money to spend. Investment depended on Cabaye being sold for a fee of around £20 million. On Sunday night, the message inside the club was that the drawbridge on the France midfielder had been pulled up. They would not sell the player, no matter how great his desire to leave. Not getting a major fee for Cabaye - the biggest offer was £10.2 million from Arsenal - is Kinnear's only real failure. Pardew has been unsettled. Nothing has been spent. The Newcastle manager's words yesterday were released as a statement and sit at such a polar opposite to the mood of a football club. "We are delighted to have brought Loic Remy to the club in this window and we believe he will form an exciting and effective partnership with Papiss Cisse," his statement read. "Joe (Kinnear) has worked hard on numerous targets, particularly an additional offensive player. However some of the options that were available within our financial means were not as good as the players we already had and there is no point bringing in new players unless they can improve us and take us forward. We did the majority of our business in the January window, signing five excellent first team players. With the strong squad we have we should all approach the season in a positive, optimistic frame of mind." Optimism. It is a rare currency to find on Tyneside right now. Nice to see some of the journo's speaking out, Hopefully they will give pardew a drilling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 Kinnear, it can now be argued, has succeeded. 2013 will go down as the summer of smoke and mirrors. His words filled the space where signings were expected to go. Privately, Ashley fumed at having to spend a total of £33 million to land five players, Moussa Sissoko, Yoan Gouffran, Massadio Haidara, Mathieu Debuchy and Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa, in the January transfer window. Two of those deals were supposed to happen this summer but the threat of relegation increased their need (and their expense). Look, I realise I'm stretching my GCSE maths to its limit here, but I've added up 5.5 + 6.7 + 2.0 + 2.2 + 1.2 and I'm not getting 33. I even used a calculator, and got the wife to check it too. Sure, we've got to pay wages to these people but I've noticed that the policy of adding shit like that into the cost of signing people is only ever done one way, and nobody ever takes back the wages we saved on Guthrie, Smith, Lovenkrands, Ba, Simpson, Forster, Harper and Perch. Never mind their wages, if you're playing the "Net cost" game at least deduct the £13m that we raised in player sales in that vacuum where we signed nobody at all either side of that "spending spree". That £33m is nothing but an absolute fucking lie. [Agree with the rest of the article, though] Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mofo Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 Kinnear, it can now be argued, has succeeded. 2013 will go down as the summer of smoke and mirrors. His words filled the space where signings were expected to go. Privately, Ashley fumed at having to spend a total of £33 million to land five players, Moussa Sissoko, Yoan Gouffran, Massadio Haidara, Mathieu Debuchy and Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa, in the January transfer window. Two of those deals were supposed to happen this summer but the threat of relegation increased their need (and their expense). Look, I realise I'm stretching my GCSE maths to its limit here, but I've added up 5.5 + 6.7 + 2.0 + 2.2 + 1.2 and I'm not getting 33. I even used a calculator, and got the wife to check it too. Sure, we've got to pay wages to these people but I've noticed that the policy of adding shit like that into the cost of signing people is only ever done one way, and nobody ever takes back the wages we saved on Guthrie, Smith, Lovenkrands, Ba, Simpson, Forster, Harper and Perch. Never mind their wages, if you're playing the "Net cost" game at least deduct the £13m that we raised in player sales in that vacuum where we signed nobody at all either side of that "spending spree". That £33m is nothing but an absolute fucking lie. [Agree with the rest of the article, though] Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 Probably includes some wages. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
quayside Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 Probably includes some wages. Agents fees too? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 Also reduced the wage bill that summer to make space for sigings, cant really man about wages, we pay bare minimum as it is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 It's a totally fabricated figure. Didn't it come from Llambias? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 Probably includes some wages. Really? Why didn't I think of that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 Yea they take into account wages added but not wages removed via player sales... Smoke and mirrors indeed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 Yea they take into account wages added but not wages removed via player sales... Smoke and mirrors indeed That is exactly what Doug Ellis used to do. He'd add transfer fee to wages over the full length of the contract, and VAT on top. Dougonomics. When clubs start engaging in that, it's a sorry state of affairs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/newcastle-united/10284585/Alan-Pardew-tries-to-quell-Newcastle-United-fans-anger-with-defence-of-lack-of-transfer-activity.html Alan Pardew has tried to protect the Mike Ashley regime from the fury of disgruntled fans after Newcastle United released a statement in his name in which he defended the club’s lack of transfer activity. Alan Pardew tries to quell Newcastle fans' anger with defence of lack of transfer activity Making a statement: Alan Pardew insisted fans should be approaching the season in a “positive, optimistic frame of mind” even though Newcastle were the only top-flight club not to make a permanent signing this summer Photo: ACTION IMAGES By Luke Edwards 10:00PM BST 03 Sep 2013 CommentsComment In what appears to be a move designed to nullify rising anger on Tyneside, Pardew insisted fans should be approaching the season in a “positive, optimistic frame of mind” even though Newcastle United were the only top-flight club not to make a permanent signing this summer. Pardew, who had repeatedly said he would be “disappointed” if no signings were made other than Loïc Rémy on loan from Queens Park Rangers, insisted on Tuesday he had a “strong squad” and that they had done their business in January when they signed five players from France. “We are delighted to have brought Loïc Rémy to the club in this window and we believe he will form an exciting and effective partnership with Papiss Cissé,” said Pardew, in a statement released on the club’s official website. “Joe has worked hard on numerous targets, particularly an additional offensive player. However, some of the options that were available within our financial means were not as good as the players we already had and there is no point bringing in new players unless they can improve us and take us forward. “We did the majority of our business in the January window, signing five excellent first-team players. With the strong squad we have we should all approach the season in a positive, optimistic frame of mind.” Related Articles Newcastle fans fume at Kinnear 02 Sep 2013 How did your team fare this summer? 03 Sep 2013 Transfer deadline day: as it happened 02 Sep 2013 Premier League: Transfer Talk 26 Aug 2013 Remy bailed over rape allegations 02 Sep 2013 Cabaye's return improves Newcastle's midfield 01 Sep 2013 Sponsored Club Wembley: a stadium experience that’s hard to match The statement contradicts what Pardew has consistently said over the summer. Newcastle were looking for a centre-back, a left winger and two strikers when Joe Kinnear was appointed director of football in June, but only Rémy arrived. Newcastle fans are furious about what they perceive as a lack of ambition, and a small squad that flirted dangerously with relegation last season remains vulnerable to injuries and a lack of competition for places. The attempts to plead poverty and bemoan a lack of “financial means” also do not sit well with supporters who heard repeatedly from former managing director Derek Llambias how well the business was doing. Since then, Newcastle have announced their biggest shirt sponsorship deal with Wonga and benefited from a new lucrative Premier League television deal, but none of that money appears to have gone back into improving the team. Although Ashley has been accused of not wanting to spend, Telegraph Sport understands there was money available, but there was often a lack of agreement between Kinnear, Pardew and chief scout Graham Carr about how best to use it. When the trio did agree on targets, Kinnear failed to make the deals happen. Lyon striker Bafétimbi Gomis, Lille’s Florian Thauvin, Chelsea’s Demba Ba, Norwich City’s Anthony Pilkington, Blackpool’s Thomas Ince and Wigan’s James McCarthy were all targeted, but none signed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 Its as if: Transfer fees + Agent fees + Wages for entire contract Must equal Only the fees received for players sold Otherwise we're risking financial ruin. By omission, we're told to forget forget: Wages saved on players sold, merchandising, sponsorship, prize money, gate receipts, TV money and f*** knows what else. It's not "smoke and mirrors" as r0cafella so generously put it, its horseshit. Good old-fashioned horseshit. And it's being forced down our mouths at every turn, yet some still seem keen to say that it doesn't really taste that bad, and since Uncle Mike is cooking dinner he can cook whatever he wants because he's paying for it, and on that basis they'd like another serving. There really is no helping some people. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 Anthony Pilkington? Random link. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 Its as if: Transfer fees + Agent fees + Wages for entire contract Must equal Only the fees received for players sold Otherwise we're risking financial ruin. By omission, we're told to forget forget: Wages saved on players sold, merchandising, sponsorship, prize money, gate receipts, TV money and f*** knows what else. It's not "smoke and mirrors" as r0cafella so generously put it, its horseshit. Good old-fashioned horseshit. And it's being forced down our mouths at every turn, yet some still seem keen to say that it doesn't really taste that bad, and since Uncle Mike is cooking dinner he can cook whatever he wants because he's paying for it, and on that basis they'd like another serving. There really is no helping some people. Agree Chris they will wheel out the mike saved us from run quote soon enough Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Away Toon Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 I don't think that Newcastle fans are furious at what's happening. The minority, but majority on here, are resigned to the situation and have been for a long time now, and the majority that go to the matches every week, are living in some kind of heroin addled state of confusion where the piss taking smells of champagne. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belfast Mags Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 Anthony Pilkington? Random link. Was mentioned on here at some point during the window, don't know much about him other than MOTD clips, in which he looked fairly descent Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 Joe is blatantly trying to screw Pardew over to get in the job. Just like he said he would any manager under him, if he got a director of football role. No doubt about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 I don't think that Newcastle fans are furious at what's happening. The minority, but majority on here, are resigned to the situation and have been for a long time now, and the majority that go to the matches every week, are living in some kind of heroin addled state of confusion where the p*ss taking smells of champagne. I've actively stopped supporting Newcastle United until we become a football club again. Up Los Liones! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 The January signings thing is a complete joke. They ignore the fact we only brought Anita the previous summer. They also ignore Demba Ba fee we received and removed wages + other players who left that summer. They ignore the fact Debuchy should have been a summer signing. They pretend like we don't know the transfer fees for Gouffran and Sissoko were minimal. They add together transfer fee +agent fees+signing on fees+wages for all players. Imagine if all other clubs added in wages to transfer fees for every deal they do. Ridiculous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 I see no harm in adding them on, they are costs when all said and done. But you've got to fucking take them back off again when you sell half a dozen too. And you have to actually acknowledge that we're raking in countless millions through TV money, prize money and gate receipts so balancing costs of players in Vs players out isn't necessary to turn a profit. It's the "Have my cake and eat it" mentality. They think we're idiots. Though given that nearly 50,000 rock up every fortnight in replica shirts and barely say a peep in protest, they've probably got a point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHoob Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 Guess we add the wages saved onto any transfer fees we recieve then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 We aren't in major trouble like people make out. We've had a good start to the season and our players are starting to come together and get fit. i admire your optimism Brett, but we've really not had a good start to the season in actual fact...it's been bang average at best but yes, has some signs that the football has improved a little obviously i'm one of the ultra-negative crowd but after the window fiasco this season is literally a couple of pardew brainfarts away from slipping into disaster a la 2008 again...i think villa will do us, hull looks winnable i guess but you have to fear both the everton and cardiff (!) games...we're just not that good at the moment reckon we'll be lucky to see 10 points from 21 in our "easy" start to the season and then head into a shit run of tricky games i'd say things are on a knife-edge just now, how he approaches villa will tell us a lot Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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