Segun Oluwaniyi Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Surely intelligence is that last part of your game to develop, though? Like most young forward talents, he is selfish and really only sees the pitch in terms of what he can do once he gets the ball. Doesn't understand the benefits of simply keeping defenders occupied, making runs to confuse/overload the defense and open up spaces. I understand this, firstly I believe he will learn as part of his footballing education and secondly I don't believe he is as underdeveloped as the two of you make out. The physicality and and finishing abilities are already exceptional. I was surprised Mourinho would not want to work with him, especially given the effect we have seen him have on someone like Hazard in only 20 months or so. I believe the problem is his attitude; his continual poor choices in the media support the theory. Do not forget he mentioned using Everton as a showcase for greater things when he joined. Willian sacrifices for the team and is a consistent starter on a the likely champions as a result. The role he has probably is not what he envisioned, but he performs admirably. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 On 13/02/2015 at 14:44, Segun Oluwaniyi said: Surely intelligence is that last part of your game to develop, though? Like most young forward talents, he is selfish and really only sees the pitch in terms of what he can do once he gets the ball. Doesn't understand the benefits of simply keeping defenders occupied, making runs to confuse/overload the defense and open up spaces. I understand this, firstly I believe he will learn as part of his footballing education and secondly I don't believe he is as underdeveloped as the two of you make out. The physicality and and finishing abilities are already exceptional. I was surprised Mourinho would not want to work with him, especially given the effect we have seen him have on someone like Hazard in only 20 months or so. I believe the problem is his attitude; his continual poor choices in the media support the theory. Do not forget he mentioned using Everton as a showcase for greater things when he joined. Willian sacrifices for the team and is a consistent starter on a the likely champions as a result. The role he has probably is not what he envisioned, but he performs admirably. That's actually fair enough Baba and you are right in a way, but like I said while age is on his side I didn't think the fee was right and I did understand why he left Chelsea as he wasn't a striker ready to play for a team like them. I'm not saying he can't be one of the best because he does have talent, but I just think there's a lot left before he is the type of player that many and maybe himself seem to think he is already Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 On 13/02/2015 at 13:59, Optimistic Nut said: Put money on him being top scorer with his next club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Lukaku hasn't been helped by been played on the wing at various points during the season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 That's fair enough Baba, I just don't have confidence that he will improve enough in these areas. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 On 13/02/2015 at 15:24, Shay's Given Tim Flowers said: Quote guy just runs loads, admittedly quite fast. Much ignorance of pre-Chelsea Willian. Even the last game where he didn't have to play that covering role he was a decent threat. Wasn't as good as I have seen him before, but was a much improved performance over the ones he's had this season. Still has a lot to desire in the final third. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 On 13/02/2015 at 15:24, Shay's Given Tim Flowers said: Quote guy just runs loads, admittedly quite fast. Much ignorance of pre-Chelsea Willian. ooooh 23 goals in 7 years in Ukraine and Russia, I was wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 On 13/02/2015 at 15:34, TaylorJ_01 said: Quote Quote guy just runs loads, admittedly quite fast. Much ignorance of pre-Chelsea Willian. ooooh 23 goals in 7 years in Ukraine and Russia, I was wrong. He's not a goal scorer though, it's like judging someone like Iniesta on goals. Willian plays further up the pitch, sure, but he also gives his team another dimension (or at least did). Now he just does what you are talking about for most part. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/02/13/b885cc3e02c7e4e416f32936363d7340.jpg Freddy Adu, club promo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Jozy in 12 months. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 On 13/02/2015 at 16:09, Ryan said: http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/02/13/b885cc3e02c7e4e416f32936363d7340.jpg Freddy Adu, club promo. Case study in how not to develop a young player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Bit harsh, he can't help being American. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Coming stateside was the worst thing that could've happened to his career tbf. Shoulda stayed in Ghana. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 I look at a player like Ayoze and think that intelligence doesn't necessarily come with age or experience. His vision of the pitch and natural understanding for the game is something Lukaku lacks completely. Lukaku needs to be "developed" into the world class striker he can clearly become. The lad has immense talent and physical presence. Maybe his manager forgets that he's still so young and relies too much on him as a senior player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 For the really good players, yes, intelligence comes naturally. But for many others, including players like Ronaldo and Zidane, their intelligence and control didn't come until much later. Even in other sports, guys like Federer didn't become intelligent, mature and in control until 24, 25. The young ones are the exception. Most guys peak physically around 24, but mentally they reach their peak 2-3 years later. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppe Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 I've done something horrible. I bought something from the club shop. It was only £10, but I still feel dirty and no amount of showers can rid me of the stink. I'm sorry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Was it a fringe player? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppe Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 On 14/02/2015 at 10:11, Yorkie said: Was it a fringe player? Naa, they are free apparently Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest John Carvery Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 On 14/02/2015 at 09:58, Peppe said: I've done something horrible. I bought something from the club shop. It was only £10, but I still feel dirty and no amount of showers can rid me of the stink. I'm sorry Haha I bought a Minnie the magpie (female version) for the Mrs from there because it was half price about 2 years ago. It was a bit of a bargain! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Bailey Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 On 14/02/2015 at 09:58, Peppe said: I've done something horrible. I bought something from the club shop. It was only £10, but I still feel dirty and no amount of showers can rid me of the stink. I'm sorry Horse hair shirt infested with lice ala Thomas A'Beckett and some self flagellation and you are on the road to forgiveness.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fugazi Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 The ending Why the fuck would you upload the full version though if you're a Stoke fan? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Idiot Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 We've won a trophy! Somebody dug up a communiqué from the Spanish FA dated from 1953 granting us the Eva Duarte Cup (Supercopa precedent), as winners of the 1952-53 league and cup. Supercopa rules weren't clearly laid out back then, so it wasn't clear if we'd actually won it or not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Don't even play for 60 years and you win something, meanwhile in Newcastle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Pfft, trophies. Overrated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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