The College Dropout Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 I’ve long said Dummett rarely costs us goals. Compared to Janmaat, Yedlin, Manquillo, Santon etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinitely Content Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Lots of revisionism here. Simpson got stick primarily because he was a hoof merchant. I seem to remember Simpson getting rinsed on the regular tbf. You can't really accuse Dummett of the same for a good while now. On Simpson being a hoof merchant, you remember the pass he played to Sissoko to set up Cisse's goal away at Benfica? Glorious Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 It isn’t easy to find a FB as good as Dummett defensively Who is considerably better going forward. Usually they will just be much better going forward. LB is one position Rafa hasn’t signed a first choice. Dummett with a couple others are the rare who are rarely rotated when fit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Lots of revisionism here. Simpson got stick primarily because he was a hoof merchant. I seem to remember Simpson getting rinsed on the regular tbf. You can't really accuse Dummett of the same for a good while now. On Simpson being a hoof merchant, you remember the pass he played to Sissoko to set up Cisse's goal away at Benfica? Glorious He didn’t really get rinsed regularly. He would back off a lot but constantly rinsed? Nah. Aye I think he had another one in that tie. Amazing stuff lol. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinitely Content Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Lots of revisionism here. Simpson got stick primarily because he was a hoof merchant. I seem to remember Simpson getting rinsed on the regular tbf. You can't really accuse Dummett of the same for a good while now. On Simpson being a hoof merchant, you remember the pass he played to Sissoko to set up Cisse's goal away at Benfica? Glorious He didn’t really get rinsed regularly. He would back off a lot but constantly rinsed? Nah. Aye I think he had another one in that tie. Amazing stuff lol. Fair enough, I probably remember him as a poorer player than he actually was/is. Other than clearing off the line on numerous occasions, I can't remember him being particularly good at anything though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Simpson handled the ball like a hot potato at his feet, and loved to back off most of the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Simpson wasn’t a particularly good defender whilst he was here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 It isn’t easy to find a FB as good as Dummett defensively Who is considerably better going forward. Usually they will just be much better going forward. LB is one position Rafa hasn’t signed a first choice. Dummett with a couple others are the rare who are rarely rotated when fit. He didn’t need to sign a LB last season because Dummett was playing at his level, the Championship. And well, he signed Lazaar which never worked out - so he did try. He has tried to sign a LB in the last two windows but has been refused the finance to do so. He’s also not rotated because there are no other LBs that are able to play. Haidara is crap, Manquillo/Mbemba would be playing out of position. None of the above is evidence for Dummett being a good defender, it’s just evidence that Ashley is a tosser. Watching Dummett playing shockingly in some games last season at a lower level (he was appalling at Forest before he was wrong sent off, for example) and in every season before that was more than enough evidence that he’s absolutely crap. His current purple patch is nothing other than that, just like Diame. If we are taken over in the summer, he’ll rightly be replaced. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 If Simpson wasn’t a particularly good defender what type of defenders are Yedlin, Janmaat, Santon et al? In the relegation season Janmaat got 6 assists. Yet he directly cost us many more goals. Iirc he was eventually dropped by Rafa because he was a liability. Janmaat didn’t get nearly as much stick for being a crap defender because he could play some which is hustling backwards imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Santon was better in every way than Simpson when they were both here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Santon was a liability defensively. He could carry the ball nicely but he didn't use his left foot much. I really wanted Santon to succeed here Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 He was still better than Simpson. Simpson made a few clearances from corners and benefitted from the whole "If you never attack people say you're better at defending." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 No he wasn't. Santon was awful. Cost us so many goals, out of position loads, jogged back, let runners go, rarely contributed going forward etc... but he had a nice first touch, comfortable moving forward with the ball then passing it sideways so he didn't get stick here. He was still better than Simpson. Simpson made a few clearances from corners and benefitted from the whole "If you never attack people say you're better at defending." The only merit this post has is yes - Simpson was likely goal side when you needed him to be unlike Santon who would saunter back. For a team always more likely to concede more goals in a season than score, it is helpful. Santon was so bad defensively and purposeless going forward I thought Haidara would be a better option ffs. He were pap too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Santon was very poor imo. Always ball watching. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinitely Content Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Really wanted Santon to be good, but he was pretty lax most of the time. That said what I remember him for are his two brilliant performances against Chelsea, one being the 2-0 win and the other the 3-2 win. He was excellent in both and assist twice brilliantly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 I'll always remember his performance at Stamford Bridge when he almost fooled be into believing he was a young Phil Neville. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozy Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Santon was shite, albeit you'd allow him the one excuse of playing on the wrong side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 That throw in...never forget never forgive Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 We seemed to be doing fine without him defensively when we were flying the first couple of months by the way. Up until November it was only Spurs & Southampton where we conceded two or more. It seemed to be when Lascelles was injured that we started leaking and even then, Watford at home was the only result that stands out like a sore thumb. Better defences than us have been cuffed by Vardy & Mahrez and two of the heavy defeats were at Man U & Chelsea. Again, not out of place for a newly promoted side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sugoinufc Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 Without his pace Yedlin would be piss poor. He gets forward but when he reach the opponents box he panics coz he has 0 creativity and his defending is nothing special. His pace makes him able to be "in the way" and once in a while he delivers a good cross...not often enough for my liking. Both him and Dummett would be good/ideal backups for the next couple of years or so imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 Every replacement at LB was noticeably awful other than 1 or 2 decent appearances by Manquillo accompanied by absolutely terrible ones. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sho Time Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 Lots of revisionism here. Simpson got stick primarily because he was a hoof merchant. I seem to remember Simpson getting rinsed on the regular tbf. You can't really accuse Dummett of the same for a good while now. On Simpson being a hoof merchant, you remember the pass he played to Sissoko to set up Cisse's goal away at Benfica? Glorious He didn’t really get rinsed regularly. He would back off a lot but constantly rinsed? Nah. A bit more difficult for players to rinse you when you've backed off from the halfway line, all the way to the byline. He was terrible, an absolute fanny. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 The stats for Dummett are pretty convincing for his inclusion both this season and other seasons since his debut really. By all means sign someone better but for now he is the only viable choice and even with a new signing should be the first defender in the bench list for the long term. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papavasiliou Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 Lots of revisionism here. Simpson got stick primarily because he was a hoof merchant. I seem to remember Simpson getting rinsed on the regular tbf. You can't really accuse Dummett of the same for a good while now. On Simpson being a hoof merchant, you remember the pass he played to Sissoko to set up Cisse's goal away at Benfica? Glorious He didn’t really get rinsed regularly. He would back off a lot but constantly rinsed? Nah. A bit more difficult for players to rinse you when you've backed off from the halfway line, all the way to the byline. He was terrible, an absolute fanny. I'm 90% sure I once saw him back off so far he bumped into the post once. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 Simpson was an OK player for us, nowhere near as bad as often made out. Dummett is similar, unlike Simpson, however, he isn’t an athlete. I’d rate him as a good solid dependable defender, an awful footballer, and simply not an athlete. Given the way we play, he’s a key player for us and helps solidify the defence. Going forward I’d want more in a full-back, but that’s one for another day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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