The Managerial Merry Go Round™

[Paullow]

12 managers getting sacked after just circa 28 games is crazy, 2 teams sacking 2 permanent managers at this stage is even worse.

[joeyt]

2 hours ago, The Butcher said:

If they'd signed two 50m strikers and not Mudryk they'd be competing for CL places imo.

 

 

 

Arsenal missing out on Mudryk and getting Trossard for much cheaper is looking like a much better deal at the moment

[WilliamPS]

Whether going to Chelsea was a help or hindrance to potters management career pretty much nobody in his place would have turned it down;

 

a) most managers really believe they are capable of managing a top side (remember fat Sam’s claims about this) so Potter will have had the self belief to go for it

b) the guaranteed £££ would have been insane. No idea what Brighton pay but I’d guess he made more in 7 months at Chelsea, including severance, than he’d have got in 10 years at Brighton 

 

Poch or Enrique are the only two sensible off that list and you know Enrique wouldn’t last long.

[r0cafella]

Re potter are people shocked because they hired him or because they got rid so quickly?

[madras]

10 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

Re potter are people shocked because they hired him or because they got rid so quickly?

Any shock for me is that is comes so quick after spending loads on so mamy and not really having time for them to settle 

[r0cafella]

2 minutes ago, madras said:

Any shock for me is that is comes so quick after spending loads on so mamy and not really having time for them to settle 

Fair play, I mean I don’t feel as if the players they bought were for him, it was for the long term of the club. 
 

And his win rate is appalling so they’ve taken the gamble to get rid. 

[Guest]

I think he'd have got it right there, but I don't think you can blame Chelsea for sacking him when they're looking likely to miss out on Europe altogether. Bare minimum with a disjointed team, but with the raw ability is that they should be where Brentford and Brighton are. 

[rgk_lfc]

4 hours ago, Kid Icarus said:

 

I think the trepidation about Howe was fair tbh. We were all fearful of going down, there was an expectation of Rafa coming as part of the takeover who we had experience of as a safe pair of hands playing pragmatic, hard-working, tactically astute football. Then we had just missed out on Emary who is imo the modern equivilent of Rafa.

 

Howe was the club's next choice and at the exact opposite end of the scale to those other two in terms of football philosophy™ so that alone was a worry. The expectation from fans with Howe was that we would probably be good going forward but leaky at the back. Of course the devil is in the details and I think once fans looked into what he'd done, watching documentaries, talking with Bournemouth fans etc, those fears turned to excitement and we were for the most part all on board. I always say this, but for me he had me at 'a lot of you are stood still. Standing still's no good, you've got to move' during that first training session video. 

 

There was also the sense of the unknown - no one, not even Howe, knew that the time he'd spent working on his weaknesses would work out so incredibly well. Literally becoming one of the best defences in Europe over the past season and a half.

 

I don't think Howe was in the wilderness though, he was constantly being linked with jobs and (just as Potter should have done with Chelsea imo) he turned down the Celtic job because it wasn't right. He wasn't allowed his own backroom staff and that for him was a dealbreaker. Meanwhile Potter walks away from a job where his stock is high into a job where the owner is playing Football Manager above his head. I get people not blaming him, but for me it was always a completely insane decision tbh. 

 

 

 

 

I was not being critical of you or your fanbase for being nervous when Howe was hired. Even though his Bournemouth body of work was phenomenal, it is only natural that there will be trepidations when he is being linked to the most important job for the club you love. My comment on opinion on Howe being lukewarm on here at best was way before he was being linked to your job and you had Steve Bruce. Again, not a criticism but more of an evidence of how managers successes are viewed by other fanbases and ownership. Which is fair enough, as we don't know the context under which Howe achieved his success at Bournemouth which is more important than the points he got or did not get. 

 

Maybe wilderness was the wrong choice of words, but given his body of work, he deserved a chance at an upper tier premier league club which he was not getting. Of course, he would have gotten a job at lower level PL clubs or Scottish league. A lot of it is timing. Michael Edwards had Howe top on his list to replace Klopp, by the way. 

 

If you had not taken a chance on him and credit to your management for doing so, there is a good chance that Howe would be below Gerrard, Lampard and couple of random foreign managers in the upper tier PL job list.

 

Folks like Howe and Potter don't have the old boys ex-players network or reputation to propel them. They also dont have clubs like Valencia, Sevilla, RB, Dortmund, etc which provide a good platform for managers to put themselves in the shopping window. So I don't blame Potter one bit for taking the chance, however poisoned the chalice might be. 

[wormy]

4 hours ago, Stottie said:

He was sacked with them in sixth with 10 points off six games.

https://www.premierleague.com/managers/15566/Thomas-Tuchel/overview

 

 

I know it's a small sample but I've had it in my head that they were way more off the pace than this when Tuchel was binned. Makes their decisions even more hilarious.

[Kid Icarus]

12 minutes ago, rgk_lfc said:

 

I was not being critical of you or your fanbase for being nervous when Howe was hired. Even though his Bournemouth body of work was phenomenal, it is only natural that there will be trepidations when he is being linked to the most important job for the club you love. My comment on opinion on Howe being lukewarm on here at best was way before he was being linked to your job and you had Steve Bruce. Again, not a criticism but more of an evidence of how managers successes are viewed by other fanbases and ownership. Which is fair enough, as we don't know the context under which Howe achieved his success at Bournemouth which is more important than the points he got or did not get. 

 

Maybe wilderness was the wrong choice of words, but given his body of work, he deserved a chance at an upper tier premier league club which he was not getting. Of course, he would have gotten a job at lower level PL clubs or Scottish league. A lot of it is timing. Michael Edwards had Howe top on his list to replace Klopp, by the way. 

 

If you had not taken a chance on him and credit to your management for doing so, there is a good chance that Howe would be below Gerrard, Lampard and couple of random foreign managers in the upper tier PL job list.

 

Folks like Howe and Potter don't have the old boys ex-players network or reputation to propel them. They also dont have clubs like Valencia, Sevilla, RB, Dortmund, etc which provide a good platform for managers to put themselves in the shopping window. So I don't blame Potter one bit for taking the chance, however poisoned the chalice might be. 

Potter from Brighton to Chelsea

Nuno from Wolves to Spurs
Moyes from Everton to Man United

Pochettino from Southampton to Spurs

Arteta from no one

 

I take your point, but it's not all that much of a rarity considering there are only 6 teams to pick from and the above is all within the last 10 years. 

 

Re the bit in bold, it's all about context I think. We'd had the takeover, Rafa unavailable, Emery turning us down. I'd say that people would have been exited about Howe under Ashley, but I don't think that's true either because each manager came with the baggage of having chosen to work under Ashley and us knowing that we were going nowhere, regardless of how good a manager is. What I would say though, is that in a very alternate universe where we were a functioning club under Ashley, I think people would have been excited about Howe. 

 

All in all I do agree with you though, there's no one out there who had the initial excitement over Howe that matches up with the reality, you'd have been seen as optimistic to the point of complete delusion to have ever expected him to be this good. 

 

Totally hypothetical, but without Howe being here I think he'd have taken a job and probably got to the level of having the reputation that Rodgers had - this season notwithstanding. 

 

 

Edited April 3, 2023 by Kid Icarus

[Kid Icarus]

3 hours ago, Kid Icarus said:

 

Honestly, I'm wasted on this hellsite

[Stifler]

I’m with others in lacking sympathy for Potter.

He knew going into the job that it typically lasts 18 months/2 years before they get rid, and less if they get off to a bad start. Ok they are under new owners and they allege that they wanted to do things differently, but they sacked Tuchel a month or so in.

 

If he was going to Spurs who with Poch they gave him time, or someone like Leicester then yeah, you could say he was hard done.

[gbandit]

Relegation this season is shaping up to be an all-timer. Couldn’t say with any certainty a single club that’s safe or definitely going down from 13th down. Just wish Chelsea were down there too

[Doctor Zaius]

Potter actually started quite well. No defeats in his first 9. Seemingly it went to pot when he started to employ his methods. 

 

Think the pressure well and truly got to him. Although they picked up some form, he looked like a defeated man recently. Dont think he'd have turned it round tbh. Needs time, his players - not a scattergun approach to transfers and a pre season. No way he was gonna ever get that luxury given how bad theyve been.

[The College Dropout]

I'd be happy for Bournemouth to stay up. All the rest have players I would take (except Everton but they can get fooked).

[Guest]

21 minutes ago, Stifler said:

I’m with others in lacking sympathy for Potter.

He knew going into the job that it typically lasts 18 months/2 years before they get rid, and less if they get off to a bad start. Ok they are under new owners and they allege that they wanted to do things differently, but they sacked Tuchel a month or so in.

 

If he was going to Spurs who with Poch they gave him time, or someone like Leicester then yeah, you could say he was hard done.

 

This was the first managerial appointment under the new ownership though. I think if he'd even had them around 6-7th which would have been underachieving, he'd have been safe. 

[Tiresias]

7 hours ago, The College Dropout said:

They largely haven't signed superstars.

 

Well not unfair and think you're right actually Murdyk and Fernandez and the like could work under a super technical manager, they have just kinda bought badly and disperately, they lack important parts of a functioning team. I was not thinking quite straight

 

 

Edited April 3, 2023 by Tiresias

[joeyt]

Chelsea sacking Tuchel feels so long ago I'd forgotten it was even this season

[Stottie]

1 minute ago, The College Dropout said:

I'd be happy for Bournemouth to stay up. All the rest have players I would take (except Everton but they can get fooked).

 

Billing was at Bournemouth when JT was there. I wonder if he rates him. He looks better than McTominay.

 

[The College Dropout]

24 minutes ago, Stottie said:

 

Billing was at Bournemouth when JT was there. I wonder if he rates him. He looks better than McTominay.

 

He does tbf.  Eddie signed him I’m sure. 

[The Butcher]

Potter rejected Leicester, according to talkshite 

[Ben]

3 minutes ago, The Butcher said:

Potter rejected Leicester, according to talkshite 

Probably wait till the summer

[toon25]

Some of Potter's tactical decisions were batshit mental. There was no rhyme or reason to play James and Cucurella at centre back on Saturday. A Chelsea supporting mate also mentioned the constant in-game tactical switches cost them points.

[toon25]

Bad Luck Brendan

 

 

[joeyt]