TRon Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 4 hours ago, Froggy said: Did I think highly of Ole as a manager? I defended him when he deserved to be defended and criticised him when he deserved to be criticised. I thought his time was up before the board sacked him. He still has the third highest win percentage of any manager in our history but ultimately the lack of trophies killed him. The major difference for me and the main point I'm trying to address is that everyone seems to defend Bielsa despite him having an absolutely atrocious season. The main defence being how he brought them up from the Championship so he has done a good job. Ole led us to a second place finish, so why the absolutely massive negative attitude towards him? He did not deserve the disrespect he got from opposition fans, but at the end of the day he wasn't good enough for Manchester United. I'll admit it's hard to think with a clear head when it comes to judging your own manager, especially when it's a club legend. Doesn't mean I don't or can't have opinions on managers of other teams. I've thought for a long time Bielsa is overrated. Not bad, just not a great coach like the media paints him because of how he sits on a cooler during a game or because he has unusual methods. You overrated Ole massively mate. You kept defending him, and yet you have the gall to slate Bielsa who had a fraction of Ole's spending power. I can understand it to some extent, Man U seem to have a real hate/hate relationship with Leeds for some reason. No idea what that's about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 33 minutes ago, joeyt said: What more should he have achieved to make it a full done job? Kicked on from last season and not free fall? He has a history of relatively short stints having not achieved anything remarkable apart from entertaining football and innovative coaching style. Again, compare him to a 'shit' manager like Unai Emery....? No contest in terms of achievements. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 2 hours ago, joeyt said: He did an excellent job at Leeds He did a colossal job at Leeds. His impact on the entire club and city has been huge. Leeds fans' feeling about their club pre and post Bielsa is almost beyond comparison. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 7 hours ago, TRon said: You overrated Ole massively mate. You kept defending him, and yet you have the gall to slate Bielsa who had a fraction of Ole's spending power. I can understand it to some extent, Man U seem to have a real hate/hate relationship with Leeds for some reason. No idea what that's about. Aye I defended him on here. The rivalry with Leeds originated from the War of the Roses. It's steeped in history. One of the most legitimate rivalries in football. I suggest you read up on that if you have no idea what it's about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 9 hours ago, Dinho lad said: Kicked on from last season and not free fall? He has a history of relatively short stints having not achieved anything remarkable apart from entertaining football and innovative coaching style. Again, compare him to a 'shit' manager like Unai Emery....? No contest in terms of achievements. Who has said Emery is a shit manager ffs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffJ Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 12 hours ago, Super Duper Branko Strupar said: He did a colossal job at Leeds. His impact on the entire club and city has been huge. Leeds fans' feeling about their club pre and post Bielsa is almost beyond comparison. Absolutely. They went from Steve Fucking Evans, Garry Monk and Paul Heckingbottom to one of the most revered coaches in the game. In the second division. Seen a lot of Man Utd fans online making noises about how Bielsa is overrated and a fraud etc, I’m guessing mostly skewed by hatred between the two clubs and it also must be difficult to see one of his footballing disciples dominate at Man City. Actually very difficult to see as they are so far behind despite all of the American money splurged on their club. Think we should know more than most to listen to fans opinions when it comes to their own club and the vast majority of Leeds fans are devastated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 6 hours ago, Froggy said: Aye I defended him on here. The rivalry with Leeds originated from the War of the Roses. It's steeped in history. One of the most legitimate rivalries in football. I suggest you read up on that if you have no idea what it's about. I mean we are talking about football here, not the middle ages, this isn't Game of Thrones. Man U seem to have quite a few rivalries don't they? Leeds, Man City, Liverpool. It must get tiring. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cf Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 Leeds and Liverpool are the big rivalries as far as I'm aware with Man Utd. With City less so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 17 minutes ago, Cf said: Leeds and Liverpool are the big rivalries as far as I'm aware with Man Utd. With City less so. City rivals by default really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 4 hours ago, joeyt said: Who has said Emery is a shit manager ffs Plenty on here, let's just say, 'downplay' his managerial ability. (maybe because he upset HBA's fanboys). The point is, the rave Emery gets on here is far less than Bielsa, even though Emery has proved himself to be a better manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 15 hours ago, Dinho lad said: Kicked on from last season and not free fall? He has a history of relatively short stints having not achieved anything remarkable apart from entertaining football and innovative coaching style. Again, compare him to a 'shit' manager like Unai Emery....? No contest in terms of achievements. It's the clique again mate, don't let them believe you're getting worked up about something that was never said. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgk_lfc Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 In the 1990s and 2000, there was this German manager - Wolfgang Frank - who primarily operated in the Bundesliga second division. He was a big fan of Sacchi. Went and studied Sacchi's football and then spend time at Ajax and studied their total football principles. Bought those back to Germany and installed those principles at Mainz. First person to use video based evaluation of opposition and introduced zonal marking and counterpressing in Germany. Wolfgang Frank was the original German gegenpressing hipster manager. He had success at Mainz but was never able to cross the line - unable to get them promoted. His central defender at Mainz was Klopp. When Klopp was interviewing for the Mainz manager position, he said his goal was to go back to the principles of Wolfgang Frank. By every tangible metric, Wolfgang Frank was a failure at the highest level. Nothing of note in his CV, except losing a German cup final. At the same time, Klopp considers Wolfgang Frank to be one of the most important managers in German football and one of the greatest footballing minds. He states everything he applies in the field was learned from Wolfgang Frank. That Mainz school also generated Tuchel. Low and Ragnick also were inspired by the Frank school of coaching. Mangers like Bielsa, Wolfgang Frank - I wouldn't want them at the current LFC. But that does not mean we shouldn't admire them for what they did. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 4 hours ago, The Prophet said: It's the clique again mate, don't let them believe you're getting worked up about something that was never said. Worked up? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MrRaspberryJam Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 7 minutes ago, nbthree3 said: Watching him talk absolute shit on SSN now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 Never heard of him. Sounds made up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Butcher Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 Think Leeds will go down with Norwich and Watford. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 6 hours ago, Dinho lad said: Plenty on here, let's just say, 'downplay' his managerial ability. (maybe because he upset HBA's fanboys). The point is, the rave Emery gets on here is far less than Bielsa, even though Emery has proved himself to be a better manager. If he has said anything negative about HBA he deserves to be labeled an ignorant cunt and a shit manager tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ameritoon Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 Not sure it's the best move for Marsch. He has plenty of hype but obviously didn't work out at Leipzig, just feels like Leeds are going nowhere and an inexperienced manager isn't going to help much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 Can't believe they didn't go with "Marsching on together" tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 (edited) Who's Jesse Marsch? Edited February 28, 2022 by toon25 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 4 minutes ago, toon25 said: Who's Jesse Marsch? Leeds manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 Interested to see how he works out. Been highly touted for years, Rangnick wanted him at Manure as assistant but don't think he has ever really reached the hype. That said I didn't think he would have managed where he has back when he was in the MLS. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 Hope he’s a bad failure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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