The Managerial Merry Go Round™ - Will Still Southampton manager

[Collage]

There’s only so much you can ”pick up” from a great manager.

[number37]

As a relatively young manger, I think it's fair enough to try and model your footballing philosophy or managerial style on Sir Alex Ferguson, he's one of the best in history after all, but you do still need to have the ability to pull it off or at least get close. It's understandable though and at least he's picked a great manager to base himself on, it's just not worked out like that, just like it wouldn't have for quite a lot of managers. 

 

He could have sought inspiration from another Manchester United legend, Steve Bruce of course, but I guess that would be like trying to be the Michael Schumacher of skiing. 

[Kaizero]

5 minutes ago, Collage said:

You wonder if Sir Alex could be described as a PFM? I’d say he wasn’t, as he was great at changing with the times. Unlike, for example, Steve Bruce.

 

Was more thinking the style of training, where just writing stuff on whiteboards seem to be the prevalent means  Obviously very different gravity to a situation where Sir Alex Ferguson shouts at you to go out there and fucking win compared to an OGS or Bacon Bruce.

[joeyt]

Bit weird, never seen this type of thing before

 

[Astroblack]

Ferguson knew how to delegate. He was big picture. 

[jdckelly]

8 minutes ago, Dr Venkman said:

Was also, significantly, a genius  

fergies true genius was the ability to bring in new coaches with new ideas as time went on, just think how different football was in 86 when he started at man utd to 2013 when he left 

[Manxst]

7 minutes ago, jdckelly said:

fergies true genius was the ability to bring in new coaches with new ideas as time went on, just think how different football was in 86 when he started at man utd to 2013 when he left 

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/sir-alex-ferguson-assistant-manager-24979838.amp
 

You can easily see how the team and style evolved with all the assistants over the years.

[Dr Venkman]

18 minutes ago, jdckelly said:

fergies true genius was the ability to bring in new coaches with new ideas as time went on, just think how different football was in 86 when he started at man utd to 2013 when he left 

Part of it, for sure. Most significant I think is that he had everyone, players, officials, etc eating out of his hand. Genius manipulator of people. Served his apprenticeship as a union steward and was the same in that environment. Absolutely everyone terrified of him.

[Astroblack]

1 minute ago, Dr Venkman said:

Part of it, for sure. Most significant I think is that he had everyone, players, officials, etc eating out of his hand. Genius manipulator of people. Served his apprenticeship as a union steward and was the same in that environment. Absolutely everyone terrified of him.

 

He's slap the shit out of you or throw a boot at you if you disobeyed him. I still think he'd do it now. No one would challenge him. 

[gbandit]

We’ve all met people like that in other walks of life, people who put the fear in you but you respect. Whatever you think of the man, he was clearly a genius communicator 

[cubaricho]

51 minutes ago, Astroblack said:

Ferguson knew how to delegate. He was big picture. 

Isn’t it pretty much common knowledge that he didn’t even attend training on a daily basis? Left it to the coaches while he was in the office moving the “big picture” items around for the club?

[toontownman]

54 minutes ago, joeyt said:

Bit weird, never seen this type of thing before

 

Wish we had done one with Bruce tbh lol 

 

Would have been ripped to shreds by pundits as being humiliating and patronizing. Sure this will be praised as being classy.

[gazza ladra]

2 hours ago, Anon said:

Would love to see Bruce ruin Ronaldo.

Give him the Ben Arfa treatment. "He doesn't track back"

[Lazarus]

2 hours ago, Dr Venkman said:

Rocker can draw that.

 

[joeyt]

 

 

 

[TRon]

Ole was Man U's version of the Glenn Roeder appointment. It just took the Manc players a lot longer to figure out trophies do matter a bit more than having an easy life. 

[Manxst]

https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/sport/19732098.former-newcastle-boss-steve-bruce-tipped-manchester-united/
 

#BruceIn

[joeyt]

Hope that's true

 

 

 

[toon25]

1 minute ago, joeyt said:

Hope that's true

 

 

 

[Lazarus]

Thats amazing

[Dokko]

Zidane has turned down manu. 

[Conjo]

Nothing wrong with man management as the main tool to get results as long as you know how to do it. Based on player interviews I've seen throughout the years, I never get the impression that managers like SAF, Keegan, SBR & Zidane relied that much on systems and tactics, but they knew/know how to get the best out of their players - where to play them, who to play together, how to motivate them to put in the work in training and matches. There is much more depth to it than I and many others are aware of I'm sure, and that is what made/make them great managers.

 

Scribbling down some random Ikea inspirational poster quotes on a whiteboard and reading them out loud, giving your players extra days off training, starting training late, letting players off the hook if they are late etc etc probably makes players like the likes of OGS & Bruce but that's about it.

[Abra Dubravka]

 

6 minutes ago, Conjo said:

Nothing wrong with man management as the main tool to get results as long as you know how to do it. Based on player interviews I've seen throughout the years, I never get the impression that managers like SAF, Keegan, SBR & Zidane relied that much on systems and tactics, but they knew/know how to get the best out of their players - where to play them, who to play together, how to motivate them to put in the work in training and matches. There is much more depth to it than I and many others are aware of I'm sure, and that is what made/make them great managers.

 

Scribbling down some random Ikea inspirational poster quotes on a whiteboard and reading them out loud, giving your players extra days off training, starting training late, letting players off the hook if they are late etc etc probably makes players like the likes of OGS & Bruce but that's about it.

 

Think Zidane is the real deal as a manager to be honest, personally think he'd be best appointment Man U could make - superior to Poch, Ten Haag in my opinion. However cliche and cringeworthy Neville bleating on about 'culture', end of the day he is right. There is a certain fabric that clubs like Madrid, Barcelona, Man U have that can't be removed, and will always dictate how a manager fares. Zidane seems like he'd be a good fit for me. 

 

Exactly what's highlighted for me - not everyone has to be a Pep; and by his own admission he's nothing without top players. 

 

Video on YT of Zidane's talk at half time in their CL final against Juventus. Can tell he has an authority that the players respect - just seems to have it. Outlines some simple instructions to them, but it's obvious he's set up the team correctly, can motivate them, tactically sound enough - coupled with having great players he's successful. Polar opposite to what you saw Mourinho in the Spurs doc where that was never a right fit. 

 

Can't really describe more than saying certain manager-club dynamics just seem right - Klopp at Liverpool, even from start, Pep at City, Mourinho and Chelsea, Zidane Real Madrid, Robson with us; same token some seem totally wrong fit - Nuno Spurs, Mourinho Spurs, Moyes/Van Gaal/Mourinho at Man U, Benitez at Everton

[Yorkie]

All the chat about Solskjaer steadying the ship or however you want to put it... domestically, are Man Utd not in a similar/even more of a mess than they were when Mourinho left? They actually had more points on the board at this point in the year Mourinho ended up leaving and, in both cases, they're a country mile off the title. The team's certainly an absolute shit-tip if the Watford game is anything to go by. 

[toon25]

Are they keeping Carrick on for the season then?