The Managerial Merry Go Round™ - Will Still Southampton manager

[STM]

There was nothing stopping Parker resigning after promotion and saying he wanted to try a "new project" or whatever. Kicking off 4 games into a season, knowing what he had signed up for is the issue.

[Kid Icarus]

I agree that the devil is the details and context is everything, I'm just not sure the context is anywhere near different enough for Rafa to have been justified and Parker not. 

[54]

 

[Shearergol]

12 minutes ago, 54 said:

 

 

The club is more of a joke than Newcastle under Ashley. The owner stated that he was selling up, having nothing to do with the day-to-day running of the club, so brought Lee Turnbull (former player in) to do that job. Keith Hill hates LT, so started only dealing with Swann (owner). Swann then starts having more involvement with the club again behind Turnbull's back. 

 

Not a chance the club will exist in another 12 months. Criminally mis-managed by Swann. His only goal was to build a new stadium with plenty of business and leisure opportunities to fund his own business. Up there with Ashley for wanker status.

[Pixelphish]

Rodgers next after his comments? 

[Consortium of one]

That was a tough run of games for The Cherries.  If Parker hadn't let things boil over he'd still be there.  Then again, maybe he didn't have the stomach to stay.

[rgk_lfc]

1 hour ago, Kid Icarus said:

Is it really all that different to what Rafa used to say and that we as a fan base overwhelmingly backed him to the hilt on?

 

I am not saying Parker's points are wrong. But there is a difference between a multiple leagues and European cups winning manager  stating "I know what it takes and currently the owners are not backing me" and Scott Parker stating that. 

[Pilko]

To be fair to Parker imagine the effort and energy expended in getting out of the Championship, Saturday-Tuesday every week, only to be told "nah we'll let the same set of players get tanked every week in the big boy league". No excuse from the ownership.

[Ben]

Big Dunc off to Dundee United, I genuinely hope he does great.

[Conjo]

8 hours ago, Doctor Zaius said:

tbf to Parker he's been calling out the owners all summer. 

 

Find it weird how anyone on this board can be understanding of the reaction of the owners.  Back your manager ffs. It's not the first time this summer Parker has voiced his concern about lack of ambition.

[Doctor Zaius]

7 minutes ago, Conjo said:

 

Find it weird how anyone on this board can be understanding of the reaction of the owners.  Back your manager ffs. It's not the first time this summer Parker has voiced his concern about lack of ambition.

 

Seen someone on twitter whinging because Sky Sports showed us as the highest spending team since January by taking into account net spend. We went on for years and years about net spend.

[Tsunami]

1 hour ago, Ben said:

Big Dunc off to Dundee United, I genuinely hope he does great.

He’s on a hiding to nothing taking that job. 

[WillDanceForChocolate]

Maybe I can shed a little extra light on the AFCB / Parker situation.

 

Last time in the PL we had a tilt at building a PL squad. All good fun. A series of unfortunate events conspired, including Howe burning himself out, players refusing to play, the Covid break coming at a bad time, goal line technology failing, crazy injury list, and more ending in relegation. Whatever. Down is down.

 

Up to then the owner had been funding to the tune of, relative to our size in the football world, monumental amounts. However, the relegation meant he wanted to change the strategy. Can't really object to that.

 

The planned training complex was put on hold, lots of senior pros out of contract were released and, over two Championship seasons, we sold about £125m of players but only spent about £15m replacing them in order to get us back in an even financial keel.

 

The new model was clear for all to see. We'd spend within our means and, if we went back up, restart the off-field investment to build up other aspects of the club. Always think long term on and off the pitch.

 

Parker knew this when he came. Yet he signed a bunch of players in Jan but now wants (wanted) to sell some of them saying he only signed them to get us up and they aren't good enough for the PL. He let us give them 3.5 year contracts.

 

That's so far from how we want to run the club it's crazy.

 

Meanwhile, since promotion was confirmed work on the training complex has resumed. This will restrict spending. He knew this.

 

Despite that he kept repeatedly moaning to the media about wanting more money to spend.

 

Then, nobody expected anything from the last three games but the way he reacted after Saturday was beyond the pale. To the national media he was demanding more players. To the local press he was saying he expected us to get worse results this season.

 

What do you think that says to the players? All great managers make players feel good about themselves so they can play almost beyond their ability. Parker dropped a bomb in the dressing room, seemingly looking to achieve the opposite.

 

He did his job last season, no complaints there. However, it's pretty telling that you'll struggle to find an AFCB fan unhappy he has gone. Not because we lost to three of the top teams. Not because we lost 9-0. Because he had no interest in the long term vision to build the club and instead only wanted to disparage the players and the owner to try and make whatever happens this season not his fault.

 

I've had 24 hours to think on it and, sad to say, it's good riddance.

 

Also, if there's truth in some of the stories now leaking out he really had become toxic in his attitude to the club.

[TheGuv]

6 minutes ago, WillDanceForChocolate said:

Maybe I can shed a little extra light on the AFCB / Parker situation.

 

Last time in the PL we had a tilt at building a PL squad. All good fun. A series of unfortunate events conspired, including Howe burning himself out, players refusing to play, the Covid break coming at a bad time, goal line technology failing, crazy injury list, and more ending in relegation. Whatever. Down is down.

 

Up to then the owner had been funding to the tune of, relative to our size in the football world, monumental amounts. However, the relegation meant he wanted to change the strategy. Can't really object to that.

 

The planned training complex was put on hold, lots of senior pros out of contract were released and, over two Championship seasons, we sold about £125m of players but only spent about £15m replacing them in order to get us back in an even financial keel.

 

The new model was clear for all to see. We'd spend within our means and, if we went back up, restart the off-field investment to build up other aspects of the club. Always think long term on and off the pitch.

 

Parker knew this when he came. Yet he signed a bunch of players in Jan but now wants (wanted) to sell some of them saying he only signed them to get us up and they aren't good enough for the PL. He let us give them 3.5 year contracts.

 

That's so far from how we want to run the club it's crazy.

 

Meanwhile, since promotion was confirmed work on the training complex has resumed. This will restrict spending. He knew this.

 

Despite that he kept repeatedly moaning to the media about wanting more money to spend.

 

Then, nobody expected anything from the last three games but the way he reacted after Saturday was beyond the pale. To the national media he was demanding more players. To the local press he was saying he expected us to get worse results this season.

 

What do you think that says to the players? All great managers make players feel good about themselves so they can play almost beyond their ability. Parker dropped a bomb in the dressing room, seemingly looking to achieve the opposite.

 

He did his job last season, no complaints there. However, it's pretty telling that you'll struggle to find an AFCB fan unhappy he has gone. Not because we lost to three of the top teams. Not because we lost 9-0. Because he had no interest in the long term vision to build the club and instead only wanted to disparage the players and the owner to try and make whatever happens this season not his fault.

 

I've had 24 hours to think on it and, sad to say, it's good riddance.

 

Also, if there's truth in some of the stories now leaking out he really had become toxic in his attitude to the club.

 

 

Great info - thanks. Probably best it's happened now. 3 points from the first 4 games was th best you ever could have picked up. So hopefully you get someone good in ASAP!

[Guest HTT II]

11 minutes ago, WillDanceForChocolate said:

Maybe I can shed a little extra light on the AFCB / Parker situation.

 

Last time in the PL we had a tilt at building a PL squad. All good fun. A series of unfortunate events conspired, including Howe burning himself out, players refusing to play, the Covid break coming at a bad time, goal line technology failing, crazy injury list, and more ending in relegation. Whatever. Down is down.

 

Up to then the owner had been funding to the tune of, relative to our size in the football world, monumental amounts. However, the relegation meant he wanted to change the strategy. Can't really object to that.

 

The planned training complex was put on hold, lots of senior pros out of contract were released and, over two Championship seasons, we sold about £125m of players but only spent about £15m replacing them in order to get us back in an even financial keel.

 

The new model was clear for all to see. We'd spend within our means and, if we went back up, restart the off-field investment to build up other aspects of the club. Always think long term on and off the pitch.

 

Parker knew this when he came. Yet he signed a bunch of players in Jan but now wants (wanted) to sell some of them saying he only signed them to get us up and they aren't good enough for the PL. He let us give them 3.5 year contracts.

 

That's so far from how we want to run the club it's crazy.

 

Meanwhile, since promotion was confirmed work on the training complex has resumed. This will restrict spending. He knew this.

 

Despite that he kept repeatedly moaning to the media about wanting more money to spend.

 

Then, nobody expected anything from the last three games but the way he reacted after Saturday was beyond the pale. To the national media he was demanding more players. To the local press he was saying he expected us to get worse results this season.

 

What do you think that says to the players? All great managers make players feel good about themselves so they can play almost beyond their ability. Parker dropped a bomb in the dressing room, seemingly looking to achieve the opposite.

 

He did his job last season, no complaints there. However, it's pretty telling that you'll struggle to find an AFCB fan unhappy he has gone. Not because we lost to three of the top teams. Not because we lost 9-0. Because he had no interest in the long term vision to build the club and instead only wanted to disparage the players and the owner to try and make whatever happens this season not his fault.

 

I've had 24 hours to think on it and, sad to say, it's good riddance.

 

Also, if there's truth in some of the stories now leaking out he really had become toxic in his attitude to the club.

Thanks for sharing, who would you like in his place?

[WillDanceForChocolate]

10 minutes ago, HTT II said:

Thanks for sharing, who would you like in his place?

 

Eddie Howe

 

Bring realistic though, as long as they appoint someone with an attacking philosophy they should do alright. We aren't the most demanding of fanbases and accept there's a very high chance we'll go down this year. Get phase one of the training complex complete, and have a man in charge that knows the squad and wants to try and score plenty in the Championship and I'll be happy.

 

'Effective' managers are one of the few ways to rile our fans. We gave Pulis his first job (sorry!) and he was hounded out.

 

 

Edited August 31, 2022 by WillDanceForChocolate

[HaydnNUFC]

The new Steve Bruce/era of PFMs. Getting defended for doing a shit job in the media because you have mates there. Poor from Carragher.

 

 

[SteV]

Just now, HaydnNUFC said:

The new Steve Bruce/era of PFMs. Getting defended for doing a shit job in the media because you have mates there. Poor from Carragher.

 

 

Even more so given he tore Neville a new arsehole for doing exactly the same with OGS

[KaKa]

On 31/08/2022 at 10:27, WillDanceForChocolate said:

Maybe I can shed a little extra light on the AFCB / Parker situation.

 

Last time in the PL we had a tilt at building a PL squad. All good fun. A series of unfortunate events conspired, including Howe burning himself out, players refusing to play, the Covid break coming at a bad time, goal line technology failing, crazy injury list, and more ending in relegation. Whatever. Down is down.

 

Up to then the owner had been funding to the tune of, relative to our size in the football world, monumental amounts. However, the relegation meant he wanted to change the strategy. Can't really object to that.

 

The planned training complex was put on hold, lots of senior pros out of contract were released and, over two Championship seasons, we sold about £125m of players but only spent about £15m replacing them in order to get us back in an even financial keel.

 

The new model was clear for all to see. We'd spend within our means and, if we went back up, restart the off-field investment to build up other aspects of the club. Always think long term on and off the pitch.

 

Parker knew this when he came. Yet he signed a bunch of players in Jan but now wants (wanted) to sell some of them saying he only signed them to get us up and they aren't good enough for the PL. He let us give them 3.5 year contracts.

 

That's so far from how we want to run the club it's crazy.

 

Meanwhile, since promotion was confirmed work on the training complex has resumed. This will restrict spending. He knew this.

 

Despite that he kept repeatedly moaning to the media about wanting more money to spend.

 

Then, nobody expected anything from the last three games but the way he reacted after Saturday was beyond the pale. To the national media he was demanding more players. To the local press he was saying he expected us to get worse results this season.

 

What do you think that says to the players? All great managers make players feel good about themselves so they can play almost beyond their ability. Parker dropped a bomb in the dressing room, seemingly looking to achieve the opposite.

 

He did his job last season, no complaints there. However, it's pretty telling that you'll struggle to find an AFCB fan unhappy he has gone. Not because we lost to three of the top teams. Not because we lost 9-0. Because he had no interest in the long term vision to build the club and instead only wanted to disparage the players and the owner to try and make whatever happens this season not his fault.

 

I've had 24 hours to think on it and, sad to say, it's good riddance.

 

Also, if there's truth in some of the stories now leaking out he really had become toxic in his attitude to the club.

 

Yeah, that's messed up. I found it hard to believe he wouldn't have been made aware of how the club wanted to function. Very poor from him. He's got talent, but he's too impatient and disruptive when he doesn't get his way.

[The Bonk]

13 minutes ago, HaydnNUFC said:

The new Steve Bruce/era of PFMs. Getting defended for doing a shit job in the media because you have mates there. Poor from Carragher.

 

 

 Is there a word template these idiots use? The football is rank and when Liverpool beat Everton on the weekend, the Scouse Mackems will turn on Lampard too.

 

 

Edited September 2, 2022 by The Bonk

[GeordieDazzler]

Has Carra previously written for the Torygraph?

[KaKa]

I am now convinced that there is absolutely nothing worse than having a terrible manager in charge that everyone outside of the club makes excuses for.

 

Nothing makes football more intolerable and impossible to enjoy IMO. It is the absolute worst. Aston Villa have a decent amount of money, good players, a supportive owner ... and they just can't get the manager right. 

 

They are going to suffer so much because of the Gerrard appointment man. Unless the club is honest enough with themselves to sack him and deal with the inevitable media outcry and backlash.

[LV]

Villa and Gerrard are welcome to each other 

[Ben]

I wonder if Poch has had his best suit dry cleaned yet 

[The Prophet]

Lage can't be far from the bin. I didn't realise how long it was si cr they'd won a game. Him, Rodgers and Gerrard could be gone in no time.