SteV Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 At the time most thought ~30m was great money for Anderson. Alright we didn’t know about the Vlachidimos shenanigans initially, so clearly that affected things. But let’s not rewrite history and claim there was a terrible outcry when it first happened. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holloway Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Plenty wanted to keep a hold of Anderson, he was showing signs of breaking through Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawalls Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 I'm in the Nottingham office today and speaking to the four Forrest fans there, they all still really like Dyche and are a bit gutted Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 2 hours ago, Pilko said: We would have all yearned for Marinakas to be our chairman and perform long overdue firings on Pardew and Bruce during the awful long winless runs we had to endure during the Ashley era. He's a complete moron but I think it's more incompetence and really bad knee jerk attempts to get it right at Forest. Ashley wanted us to be a low maintenance bottom half PL side and had no intention of getting it right. Its like if we had a Billionaire True Geordie in charge of us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 2 hours ago, Pilko said: We would have all yearned for Marinakas to be our chairman and perform long overdue firings on Pardew and Bruce during the awful long winless runs we had to endure during the Ashley era. But we also would have recognized the part he played in that downfall, surely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Checko Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 I like Forest but it would be hilarious if Nuno relegates them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 4 minutes ago, Mike said: But we also would have recognized the part he played in that downfall, surely. Yeah, true. It's whether you want a succession of useless knackers with a quick turnover or choose one useless knacker and stick with them, basically Suppose in the former case you get the odd new manager bounce and are more likely to fluke a broken clock being correct like the Pards 5th season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Spurs now locked out by their own rigging of the league. Well played sirs. Suck it up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixelphish Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 49 minutes ago, Erikse said: He has a point here, though. The cartel is really made of 5 clubs, not 6. Tottenham have a bigger budget than us, but they have still struggled to land top signings in the same way that we do, due to wage cap etc. I've never held any level of animosity towards Spurs like I do for The Red 3 + CFC for different reasons. They've always felt like the odd one out and are only grouped with them because they had a brilliant run of CL place finishes over a sustained period which is to be commended. I just look at them and removing the London factor think that could've been us if we'd been sold to a competent owner instead of Ashley. They're still a big club mind, just not 'elite' (lol). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRC Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 4 minutes ago, Pixelphish said: I've never held any level of animosity towards Spurs like I do for The Red 3 + CFC for different reasons. They've always felt like the odd one out and are only grouped with them because they had a brilliant run of CL place finishes over a sustained period which is to be commended. I just look at them and removing the London factor think that could've been us if we'd been sold to a competent owner instead of Ashley. They're still a big club mind, just not 'elite' (lol). It does feel like is the big 5 then us Villa and Spurs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 A soon as they lost the goals from Harry Kane, Son and put themselves in a PSR headlock they have plummeted down the league. Never really had an issue with them until they and their "top 6" mates tried to lock the league out for everyone else. They can suck it all up now, unlucky lads. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Spurs were part of project big picture and the ESL. If either of those pop up again they’ll probably be part of it. The big 6 is financial and political, them being shit or struggling to compete for trophies doesn’t remove them from it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Pereira it is for Forest Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 (edited) 4 managers in the same season is wild.. Edited February 12 by Erikse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucasol Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 6 minutes ago, Erikse said: 4 managers in the same season is wild.. We want 5, we want 5… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 2 hours ago, Erikse said: He has a point here, though. The cartel is really made of 5 clubs, not 6. Tottenham have a bigger budget than us, but they have still struggled to land top signings in the same way that we do, due to wage cap etc. They’re definitely the ugly step child of the cartels, but I don’t think it’s true that they’ve not been able to make top signings the past few years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 1 minute ago, Deuce said: They’re definitely the ugly step child of the cartels, but I don’t think it’s true that they’ve not been able to make top signings the past few years. I think the issue, as we have found, is that you can probably afford players up to the 75m(ish) bracket, but if any of the other cartel clubs decide they want them, then that’s where they end up. Eze being the most obvious example. Off the top of my head, I can’t think of anyone they’ve signed where there was genuine competition from one of the other five? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiLvOR Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 I think they're definitely not part of the club anymore, especially since Levy departed. The "top six" shit hasn't really been the reality for a number of years now anyway (namely with us and Villa taking up spots in those 6 positions). Spurs were always the most vulnerable of that pack anyway, was just a matter of time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 2 hours ago, Holloway said: Plenty wanted to keep a hold of Anderson, he was showing signs of breaking through I don’t think he’d have risen to his current heights if he’d stayed here. He needed to play every week and he’d have been fourth choice CM at best here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 (edited) 2 hours ago, Erikse said: He has a point here, though. The cartel is really made of 5 clubs, not 6. Tottenham have a bigger budget than us, but they have still struggled to land top signings in the same way that we do, due to wage cap etc. I don't think this is true or it wasn't true. What's held Spurs back is Spurs is run for business profitability right now. They had more revenue than Arsenal for 2 or 3 seasons and have one of the lowest (maybe the lowest) Wages to turnover ratio in the entire league. Their owners have put an artificial wage cap on them. The thing with Spurs is that they have already been to their owner's targets. New stadium, champions league football, profitable club - that's the height of their ambition - their maximum growth. Liverpool owners see Liverpool at the top table of European football - competitive for winning titles and CL as their ambition. That's their ambition and targeted maximum growth. Arsenal owners are similar. Their revenue is higher than Chelsea's pre-transfer activity. It's not PSR stopping them paying bigger wages. The ambition and competence (and PSR) of a clubs ownership is the main factor in success. Ours are ambitious but are they competent? Edited February 12 by The College Dropout Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 19 minutes ago, SteV said: I think the issue, as we have found, is that you can probably afford players up to the 75m(ish) bracket, but if any of the other cartel clubs decide they want them, then that’s where they end up. Eze being the most obvious example. Off the top of my head, I can’t think of anyone they’ve signed where there was genuine competition from one of the other five? 18 minutes ago, SiLvOR said: I think they're definitely not part of the club anymore, especially since Levy departed. The "top six" shit hasn't really been the reality for a number of years now anyway (namely with us and Villa taking up spots in those 6 positions). Spurs were always the most vulnerable of that pack anyway, was just a matter of time. For a number of years? We were fifth two years ago FFS . The gaslighting is as endless as the rain. Glad to not be part of the cartel though. All of the approbation none of the benefits: https://www.reddit.com/r/coys/s/YG4NO3QF8A Yeah I think there have been a handful over the years re players choosing us but we’ve never paid enough in wages to make the difference, even when we were really good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 19 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: I don't think this is true or it wasn't true. What's held Spurs back is Spurs is run for business profitability right now. They had more revenue than Arsenal for 2 or 3 seasons and have one of the lowest (maybe the lowest) Wages to turnover ratio in the entire league. Their owners have put an artificial wage cap on them. The thing with Spurs is that they have already been to their owner's targets. New stadium, champions league football, profitable club - that's the height of their ambition - their maximum growth. Liverpool owners see Liverpool at the top table of European football - competitive for winning titles and CL as their ambition. That's their ambition and targeted maximum growth. Arsenal owners are similar. Their revenue is higher than Chelsea's pre-transfer activity. It's not PSR stopping them paying bigger wages. The ambition and competence (and PSR) of a clubs ownership is the main factor in success. Ours are ambitious but are they competent? My understanding is that Levy put the wage cap on, it wasn’t the real owners. They kind of let him run the show. Seems like the Lewis family had finally had enough and ditched him. Trouble is, they did it before there was a sturdy enough structure to replace him, and when we’d just made what turned out to be a bad managerial appointment. I think there’s a chance the ambition is there. The competence very clearly is not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiLvOR Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 4 minutes ago, leffe186 said: For a number of years? We were fifth two years ago FFS Two's a number ain't it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie_once_removed Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Do you think they just have mini chalk or white boards for the manager's name on a door? It would save them a lot of time and effort. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfcastle Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 1 hour ago, NG32 said: Spurs now locked out by their own rigging of the league. Well played sirs. Suck it up. If they could be turned, they could be a powerful ally Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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