2014 FIFA World Cup Brasil™ - Europe vs. America

[Segun Oluwaniyi]

Sort of neither here nor there, but I was looking at how many teams from each confederation progressed to the knockout stage. Not sure it says anything, or not anything important, anyway, but it's almost vaguely interesting:

 

Confederation: qualified for WC/progressed to knockout (percentage progressed)

AFC: 4/0 (0.00)

CAF: 5/2 (0.40)

CONCACAF: 4/3 (0.75)

CONMEBOL: 6/5 (0.83)

OFC: 0/0 (0.00)

UEFA: 13/6 (0.46)

 

CONCACAF and CONMEBOL did pretty well.

South America was very strong and it was especially impressive how easily most of their sides qualified. For CAF, North America, and UEFA the margins were so small that any serious conclusions would be a waste of time. The Asian performance is extremely concerning, though. All of those teams finished last in their group, and with the exception Iran and Australia for one match each, none were competitive. This continent made so much progress in the last three tournaments, that this is embarrassing.

Howard

 

Debuchy - Marquez - González - Rodriguez

 

M.Diaz - Luiz Gustavo

 

Rodriguez - Messi - Robben

 

Muller

 

All from different teams

Ochoa

 

Aurier - Omeruo - Montazeri -Blind

 

Beckerman - Vidal

 

Neymar - Messi- James

 

Muller

[JJR99]

I can't see how anyone can say a 4 month ban from all football is overboard for Suarez. It's clear that he has issues and needs help. Instead of complaining and trying to fight it the Uruguayan FA and Liverpool should be trying to find Suarez the best psychologist they can. Let him/her spend the four months with Suarez trying to find some way for him not to do this shit anymore. He needs this time away from the game, because it's clear right now that the game is causing him to crack. And if not given help it will continue to happen until he either gets the shit beaten out of him by somebody, banned for life or possibly worse.

 

He bit a third bloke in four years for fucks sake. Elbows, dangerous tackles, headbutts yeah they are worse in terms of damage done. They happen to be the result of mistakes making regular actions during a game. Deliberate attempts at those kinds of things are punished severely, although perhaps not to the liking of everybody. Biting however is not a natural part of any sport. Its a desperate action used by somebody believing they are in a life of death situation. It is way out of the scope of a sporting incident. And is not acceptable in any way, shape or form in any sporting event.

[Hanshithispantz]

Suarez is an arsehole, in fact i'll go as far as saying the whole continent of south america is populated by arseholes. The problem i have with every single one of them is not that they bite each other, because it was barely a bite at all, it's the fact that they can't see a problem with it and they feel the victim.

For fucks sake like, just admit Suarez is a cock and tell him to come out and apologise and take his smack on the arse like the whining little bitch that he is.

It was enough of a bite to embed teeth marks into Chiellini's shoulder.

[Flip]

Flip, it's not because other punishments were too light (Pepe's for example) that Suarez' is too harsh. Objectively, he's bloody lucky to get away with this sentence considering he has previous - at the very least it should have included a very long suspended ban if he ever does it again. The only party that can feel hard done by is Liverpool, because this happened when he wasn't even playing for them and probably affects them more than it will Suarez himself.

 

 

It is though, consistency is needed and when you ban one guy but let the next one escape the punishment it clearly affects the way we look at it. How can Pepe escape it but not Suarez? It's more of a political message than anything else, FIFA wants to prove that they're authority and can do it to one of the biggest stars. I think FIFPro the players association is more in line with what would be reasonable. Ban him from international football and get the guy some helps instead of forbidding him from going into the stadium. Liverpool gets clearly hard done and no one on here cares since it's them, but had it been us I doubt people would be looking at it much differently from what the reasonable Liverpool fans (not the once saying he's done nothing wrong).

 

I just think there needs to be more consistency and if that means that FIFA from now on will punish players harder for off-the-ball incidents then fine, but if this is a one time punishment from FIFA then they're in the wrong as usual.

[Hanshithispantz]

Cannot comprehend the amount of absolute retards coming out claiming Suarez has been hard done by. Maradona ffs, utter plum. Hilarious that many of them think this is a genuine conspiracy & that theres double standards. The 3rd time the clown has bitten someone. I genuinely cannot comprehend that anyone wouldnt just go, yeah fair enough hes a clown. How do these people exist man.

 

Chiellini was bitten and has come out in his defense. It's a ridiculous punishment, ban him 4,6 months 12 months from football, but banning him from training and going to watch games is ridiculous and has nothing to do with a fair punishment and all to do with politics. It's ridiculous. Most of the world of football is defending him, everyone from Johan Alvbåge in Sweden to Falcao in Brazil to Alexis Sanchez to Chiellini in Italy. World Cup players are saying it's excessive. Why were Tasotti and Leonardo allowed in 94 to still be a part of the squad? Why weren't their credentials taken away from them and sent home? I don't care if it's three bites, ban him in official football games not on what he does in his sparetime, FIFA are really putting themselves into a dangerous zone by doing this and are going to have to go hard on every off the ball incident now. 

 

Chiellini likely feels bad to have been involved in the incident. Why is it ridiculous? It is important that its three bites, what has banning him from playing done previously? Made him feel sorry for himself & then repeat the same behaviour several times. So you propose the same punishment again? Clearly the guy needs something that will hit home when hes in the heat of the moment.

 

Why is it ridiculous?  Joey came out of prison hit a guy in one game then kneed another one, isn't that a three strike offence then? Why was he allowed near stadiums during his 12 game ban? Pepe, has had plenty of off-ball incidents trying to hurt players, far more than three bites and never gotten this long of a ban. Sorry, but I've seen far worse, I'm not defending Suarez btw.

If Pepe of Joey Barton had bit a player in a World Cup group game and then flat out refused to not only appologise, but to accept any liability whatsoever, the they would have been given a similar 'outrageous' ban.

 

I'm unsure how to feel about the actual ban itself to be honest, it's harsh but hardly undeserved. Not being able to train seems more limiting to Liverpool than it does Suarez but it's hardly the end of the world, if he takes a month to get up to speed after his return then so be it.

[leffe186]

I don't entirely buy the argument that Liverpool are particularly hard done by. They bought Suarez knowing his record, then stuck by him through more incidents. This is what he does, and when you buy Suarez then you know you are buying it too. You take the risk, knowing that his hyper-competitiveness can be a double-edged sword.

[BlueStar]

Can't muster any sympathy at all for the "But Miss, other boys..." angle at all. It's exactly the kind of punishment to be expected for biting someone, for the third time, in the middle of FIFA's flagship competition, with aggravating factors like zero remorse and trying to deceive the referee through feigning he was the victim.

 

Not excessive, doesn't demonstrate any outrageous inconsistency, completely deserved, entirely his own fault. Malicious, calculated, devious, cowardly. Just like the person behind it.

 

Increase it for the frivolous appeal, the sport is better off without him.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I don't entirely buy the argument that Liverpool are particularly hard done by. They bought Suarez knowing his record, then stuck by him through more incidents. This is what he does, and when you buy Suarez then you know you are buying it too. You take the risk, knowing that his hyper-competitiveness can be a double-edged sword.

 

Of course you don't, it's bollocks.

[Unbelievable]

I don't entirely buy the argument that Liverpool are particularly hard done by. They bought Suarez knowing his record, then stuck by him through more incidents. This is what he does, and when you buy Suarez then you know you are buying it too. You take the risk, knowing that his hyper-competitiveness can be a double-edged sword.

 

Of course you don't, it's bollocks.

 

It's not though really, is it? They pay his wages. The Uruguayan FA get to call him up for an international tournament that makes the organisers, and by consequence them, millions. He acts like an arse playing for the association, and gets banned from playing not only internationally but also for the club, who are the ones who continue to shell out his wages (approx. 3 million). I agree with the sentence btw (including the 4 month ban from all football activities), but if this was an important Newcastle player I would be livid at the player first and foremost for acting the way he did, but also FIFA for handing out a punishment that hits us harder than the association that called him up in the first place.

[Mole_Toonfan]

Flip if this was the first time I'd agree with you, its the third f*cking time though he has to be taught a lesson.

[Dokko]

He's acted like a football hooligan and is being treat like a football hooligan. For what he's done (3 times) to his punishment, he's actually got off very lightly. People see jail for less.

[hoppaz]

Wonder what the odds on Suarez to catch the ball defending his team's goal to stop them conceding within the next season are?

 

Surely worthy of a daft bet 

[Shush]

I don't entirely buy the argument that Liverpool are particularly hard done by. They bought Suarez knowing his record, then stuck by him through more incidents. This is what he does, and when you buy Suarez then you know you are buying it too. You take the risk, knowing that his hyper-competitiveness can be a double-edged sword.

 

Of course you don't, it's bollocks.

 

It's not though really, is it? They pay his wages. The Uruguayan FA get to call him up for an international tournament that makes the organisers, and by consequence them, millions. He acts like an arse playing for the association, and gets banned from playing not only internationally but also for the club, who are the ones who continue to shell out his wages (approx. 3 million). I agree with the sentence btw (including the 4 month ban from all football activities), but if this was an important Newcastle player I would be livid at the player first and foremost for acting the way he did, but also FIFA for handing out a punishment that hits us harder than the association that called him up in the first place.

 

I feel sorry for Liverpool and their fans, but they should be fining the little cunt every penny of his wages while he's banned. This is 100% Suarez fault, and all Liverpool fans should be livid at him getting himself banned from being able to play at their club.

[Pata]

Wonder what the odds on Suarez to catch the ball defending his team's goal to stop them conceding within the next season are?

 

Surely worthy of a daft bet 

 

That's 'cheating' within the rules. Completely irrelevant.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I don't entirely buy the argument that Liverpool are particularly hard done by. They bought Suarez knowing his record, then stuck by him through more incidents. This is what he does, and when you buy Suarez then you know you are buying it too. You take the risk, knowing that his hyper-competitiveness can be a double-edged sword.

 

Of course you don't, it's bollocks.

 

It's not though really, is it? They pay his wages. The Uruguayan FA get to call him up for an international tournament that makes the organisers, and by consequence them, millions. He acts like an arse playing for the association, and gets banned from playing not only internationally but also for the club, who are the ones who continue to shell out his wages (approx. 3 million). I agree with the sentence btw (including the 4 month ban from all football activities), but if this was an important Newcastle player I would be livid at the player first and foremost for acting the way he did, but also FIFA for handing out a punishment that hits us harder than the association that called him up in the first place.

 

I feel sorry for Liverpool and their fans, but they should be fining the little cunt every penny of his wages while he's banned. This is 100% Suarez fault, and all Liverpool fans should be livid at him getting himself banned from being able to play at their club.

 

Liverpool are slightly unlucky, but not hard done by. They signed and continue to employ a guy with a record of catastrophic behaviour.

[Shush]

I don't entirely buy the argument that Liverpool are particularly hard done by. They bought Suarez knowing his record, then stuck by him through more incidents. This is what he does, and when you buy Suarez then you know you are buying it too. You take the risk, knowing that his hyper-competitiveness can be a double-edged sword.

 

Of course you don't, it's bollocks.

 

It's not though really, is it? They pay his wages. The Uruguayan FA get to call him up for an international tournament that makes the organisers, and by consequence them, millions. He acts like an arse playing for the association, and gets banned from playing not only internationally but also for the club, who are the ones who continue to shell out his wages (approx. 3 million). I agree with the sentence btw (including the 4 month ban from all football activities), but if this was an important Newcastle player I would be livid at the player first and foremost for acting the way he did, but also FIFA for handing out a punishment that hits us harder than the association that called him up in the first place.

 

I feel sorry for Liverpool and their fans, but they should be fining the little cunt every penny of his wages while he's banned. This is 100% Suarez fault, and all Liverpool fans should be livid at him getting himself banned from being able to play at their club.

 

Liverpool are slightly unlucky, but not hard done by. They signed and continue to employ a guy with a record of catastrophic behaviour.

 

Oh very much so, same with us and Barton to be honest.

[Disco]

Sort of neither here nor there, but I was looking at how many teams from each confederation progressed to the knockout stage. Not sure it says anything, or not anything important, anyway, but it's almost vaguely interesting:

 

Confederation: qualified for WC/progressed to knockout (percentage progressed)

AFC: 4/0 (0.00)

CAF: 5/2 (0.40)

CONCACAF: 4/3 (0.75)

CONMEBOL: 6/5 (0.83)

OFC: 0/0 (0.00)

UEFA: 13/6 (0.46)

 

CONCACAF and CONMEBOL did pretty well.

 

for at least this cup, do you think region of the world had anything to do with it?

 

I really don't know. You figure CONMEBOL is going to do pretty well wherever. As Disco pointed out all 5 teams went to the knockout stage in South Africa. CONCACAF is hard to tell, because it's such a small group of qualifying teams anyway.

 

I think CONCACAF came into this tournament overly prepared. Mexico had a horrific qualifying campaign to forget about and get over while the U.S. and Costa Rica had to prepare themselves for difficult groups.

 

Worked well if so, I think a lot of teams such as yourselves and Mexico etc, have benefitted from having comparatively fresh players. Modern football is more and more constant playing and if you think of the 'big nations' who have players playing week in-week out year on year at the top level none have really played well aside from the odd 10-15 spell while the so called lesser nations can use their fresher players to play a high intensity game whilst retaining a level of organisation.

[Flip]

Flip if this was the first time I'd agree with you, its the third f*cking time though he has to be taught a lesson.

 

First time he was charged with a racist remark he was given 8 games, first time Terry did it he was given 4games. Defoe was given a yellow for his bite while Suarez got 10 for his bite. There's just no consistency in football, like I said I'm all for this punishment if it actually led somewhere when other players did things as bad. I just think that limiting him from training with his team or going to watch a game is ridiculous. I don't think the amount of games per se is ridiculous.

[Flip]

The s*** being peddled for Suarez.

 

Comparable examples would be players who have done the same piece of violent conduct three times (beyond the ambit or foresight of the rules of the game at that) with the final example being during the biggest sporting spectacle in the world. 

 

Joey Barton has no place in this conversation. For a start he was dealt with by the UK Criminal Justice System and the Football Association of England and Wales.

 

Fifa gets something right and people still hen peck.

 

When Suarez has been dealt by the FA he's been hit harder than Barton despite Barton clearly doing terrible stuff. When Terry (with clear evidence!!) was charged for racism he got less than Suarez as well. There's no consistency.

[Shush]

The shit being peddled for Suarez.

 

Comparable examples would be players who have done the same piece of violent conduct three times (beyond the ambit or foresight of the rules of the game at that) with the final example being during the biggest sporting spectacle in the world. 

 

Joey Barton has no place in this conversation. For a start he was dealt with by the UK Criminal Justice System and the Football Association of England and Wales.

 

Fifa gets something right and people still hen peck.

 

You missed the point, it wasn't about the crime he was mentioned, it was about signing a controversial player who has known to be trouble in the past. You have to accept what comes with these players and not bitch about being hard-done by when they show their true colours again.

[hoppaz]

Wonder what the odds on Suarez to catch the ball defending his team's goal to stop them conceding within the next season are?

 

Surely worthy of a daft bet 

 

That's 'cheating' within the rules. Completely irrelevant.

 

But neither option is irrevalent with this guy though. He takes his society back to the primative age yet he should be held against modern society's standards. The outcry when he has though...

 

 

 

 

[midds]

He's a Liverpool player, they signed him, they pay him, he represents them at all times, maybe not no the field but he's their player 100%. If he's going to consistently act like a horrible cunt the he's going to get himself banned regularly. If Liverpool can't accept it and tolerate it then they need to move him on. The player has been banned and it's tough shit for Liverpool and tough shit for Uruguay.

 

Not even the merest hint of a scrap of sympathy. Signed a cunt? Deal with it.

[Beren]

He's a Liverpool player, they signed him, they pay him, he represents them at all times, maybe not no the field but he's their player 100%. If he's going to consistently act like a horrible cunt the he's going to get himself banned regularly. If Liverpool can't accept it and tolerate it then they need to move him on. The player has been banned and it's tough shit for Liverpool and tough shit for Uruguay.

 

Not even the merest hint of a scrap of sympathy. Signed a cunt? Deal with it.

 

It's worse than that though really. It's not just that they signed him, not just that they failed to apply sanctions when he fell out of line but that in addition to both these things, they actively backed the douche.

[andydunc]

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-28064420

 

[midds]

He's a Liverpool player, they signed him, they pay him, he represents them at all times, maybe not no the field but he's their player 100%. If he's going to consistently act like a horrible cunt the he's going to get himself banned regularly. If Liverpool can't accept it and tolerate it then they need to move him on. The player has been banned and it's tough shit for Liverpool and tough shit for Uruguay.

 

Not even the merest hint of a scrap of sympathy. Signed a cunt? Deal with it.

 

It's worse than that though really. It's not just that they signed him, not just that they failed to apply sanctions when he fell out of line but that in addition to both these things, they actively backed the douche.

 

Was more a comment made about the fact he's been banned for Liverpool games despite biting in a Uruguay shirt. Still the same bloke...

 

One more thing too. He's whining on saying he's being persecuted and picked on by the British press but casually forgetting the same group of people voted him the best player in the league last season. He's just an utter cunt who refuses to accept responsibility for his cuntish behaviour. Fuck him and fuck Liverpool.