Hanshithispantz Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Fact? Why didn't you say so before!! You've just convinced me that every single thing Pardew ever says or ever does is designed to bring about the destruction of Newcastle United, and that on no single issue is he ever in any way even slightly correct. Cheers This is only to counteract people like you who say that everything Pardew ever says or ever does is designed to bring about the resurgence of a trophy winning Newcastle United, and that on no single issue is he ever in any way even slightly wrong. And that's why you're wrong. Mick, you'll find the straw man kings are anti-Pardew. I've never seen anyone here argue that Pardew is entirely good or that he's the future of the club. Ever. What I have seen are people taking issue with the most extreme criticism of him. Not even trying to support him, just arguing that, here and there, on one or two issues, he might not be a complete idiot. Even that, though, is not tolerated. Well of course you wouldn't have, because you're wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Jesus, I'm up against some colossi here Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 You never really stood a chance like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Fact? Why didn't you say so before!! You've just convinced me that every single thing Pardew ever says or ever does is designed to bring about the destruction of Newcastle United, and that on no single issue is he ever in any way even slightly correct. Cheers This is only to counteract people like you who say that everything Pardew ever says or ever does is designed to bring about the resurgence of a trophy winning Newcastle United, and that on no single issue is he ever in any way even slightly wrong. And that's why you're wrong. Mick, you'll find the straw man kings are anti-Pardew. I've never seen anyone here argue that Pardew is entirely good or that he's the future of the club. Ever. What I have seen are people taking issue with the most extreme criticism of him. Not even trying to support him, just arguing that, here and there, on one or two issues, he might not be a complete idiot. Even that, though, is not tolerated. What's the point of arguing 2% is good when 98% is shite? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Fact? Why didn't you say so before!! You've just convinced me that every single thing Pardew ever says or ever does is designed to bring about the destruction of Newcastle United, and that on no single issue is he ever in any way even slightly correct. Cheers Who gives a fuck, man? He's proven shite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 If 98.5% shite is what you think is correct, then you should say 98.5% shite. But yes, who gives a fuck, let's dispense with the idea of thinking one thing or another and just get on with hating Pardew all the time and in all ways. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 If 98.5% s**** is what you think is correct, then you should say 98.5% s****. But yes, who gives a f***, let's dispense with the idea of thinking one thing or another and just get on with hating Pardew all the time and in all ways. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Me and Mick basically saying the same thing Just don't see the point of your argument at all. He's shit, why bother trying to convince someone you've never met that he's ever so slightly less shit than they think he is? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andymc1 Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 just get on with hating Pardew all the time and in all ways. That's the spirit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Get your facts out for the lads. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Me and Mick basically saying the same thing Just don't see the point of your argument at all. He's shit, why bother trying to convince someone you've never met that he's ever so slightly less shit than they think he is? It's fucking weird. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Pardew is killing football for me and I'll not apologise for shouting down his supporters who help keep him here by supporting him. Yeah, but surely there's a better way of going about disagreeing than you routinely see in this thread? The general way in which a forum works mean you'll get differing opinions and if you've come here for debate then that's something you should relish rather than resist, it would be rubbish if everyone just agreed. I don't agree with Ian that often but he carries himself in a decent manner and doesn't go on like a total arsehole to people yet he gets some shocking - and unfunny- treatment back. It's unnecessary. You go through the last hundred pages of this thread and there'll be tonnes of posts that are just ridicule or insults. If you've got nothing good to say, don't say anything at all, it's not like it's hard to ignore someone if they're irritating you. The majority of people on here - I assume - are blokes in their 20s and above, you'd like to think people would be a little more mature and wouldn't use the club's situation as some sort of cover to carry on in a daft fashion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Get your facts out for the lads. #bantz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Me and Mick basically saying the same thing Just don't see the point of your argument at all. He's shit, why bother trying to convince someone you've never met that he's ever so slightly less shit than they think he is? Because it's the Alan Pardew thread in a Newcastle United forum. A thread dedicated to the detailed discussion of Alan Pardew, in a forum dedicated to the detailed discussion of Newcastle United. Unless I'm missing something pretty big, the idea of it is that we debate and discuss issues related to Alan Pardew, in the wider context of Newcastle United. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Are we getting Rafa Benitez or summat? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andymc1 Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Me and Mick basically saying the same thing Just don't see the point of your argument at all. He's s***, why bother trying to convince someone you've never met that he's ever so slightly less s*** than they think he is? Because it's the Alan Pardew thread in a Newcastle United forum. A thread dedicated to the detailed discussion of Alan Pardew, in a forum dedicated to the detailed discussion of Newcastle United. Unless I'm missing something pretty big, the idea of it is that we debate and discuss issues related to Alan Pardew, in the wider context of Newcastle United. You'd be best off taking up another sport, one with plenty of happy clappers. Maybe Tennis. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 problem with the facts argument, if you took it to the extreme, is that they'd probably prove pardew isn't that shite on paper we know he's shite due to the intangible things that can't be measured such as deploying attacking/technically good players in defensive formations forcing us to struggle against the worst teams in the league time and again - most of know if martinez had his hands on our players he'd be doing a better job for the long term of the club but there's no fact that proves it we know he's shite because at the first sign of trouble (injuries/sales/suspensions) he panics like fuck, players people all over the place and we end up getting shat on time and again so tollemache can bleat on about facts, perhaps he should start with pardiola's record vs the mackems and his breaking the clubs PL losing streak record (which he's got a good chance of beating this season)...but then we'll be countered with a win at OT vs. the the worst manyoo team in what 25+ years? there's more but i can't be arsed was exactly the same when we finished 5th, people didn't want to hear about the impending catastrophe that was coming because of his woeful marginal style of management Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Me and Mick basically saying the same thing Just don't see the point of your argument at all. He's shit, why bother trying to convince someone you've never met that he's ever so slightly less shit than they think he is? Because it's the Alan Pardew thread in a Newcastle United forum. A thread dedicated to the detailed discussion of Alan Pardew, in a forum dedicated to the detailed discussion of Newcastle United. Unless I'm missing something pretty big, the idea of it is that we debate and discuss issues related to Alan Pardew, in the wider context of Newcastle United. So any reasons why he's not shit then? I'd like to see you at least try to make some up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Trollemache, what exactly do you think Pardew has done correctly? What do you think are his good points as a manager? What do you think about him pushing his head into the face of another player? Let's hear your opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varadi Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 I really don't want to get tagged as a Pardew sympathiser here, I just think he's a bog standard average Premier League manager - if you look at some stats, how about win percentages: Pardew (NUFC only) - 38.46% Bruce - 37.54% Martinez - 39.82% Pochettino (Soton only) - 38.89% Not much in it really. Another fact worthy of consideration is that he's had to operate with by far the lowest transfer budget of any Premier League club: http://www.transferleague.co.uk/league-tables/transfer-league-table-last-five-seasons.html That's 140 million less than Villa, 136 million less than Stoke and even 95 million less than the mackems, all of who we're currently above in the league. Despite all of this I would still like to see him sacked btw. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andymc1 Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 I really don't want to get tagged as a Pardew sympathiser here, I just think he's a bog standard average Premier League manager - if you look at some stats, how about win percentages: Pardew (NUFC only) - 38.46% Bruce - 37.54% Martinez - 39.82% Pochettino (Soton only) - 38.89% Not much in it really. Another fact worthy of consideration is that he's had to operate with by far the lowest transfer budget of any Premier League club: http://www.transferleague.co.uk/league-tables/transfer-league-table-last-five-seasons.html That's 140 million less than Villa, 136 million less than Stoke and even 95 million less than the mackems, all of who we're currently above in the league. Despite all of this I would still like to see him sacked btw. You're comparing him with Bruce & Martinez who have predominantly managed relegation threatened teams. His similar win percentage shows exactly where we'll end up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 I really don't want to get tagged as a Pardew sympathiser here, I just think he's a bog standard average Premier League manager - if you look at some stats, how about win percentages: Pardew (NUFC only) - 38.46% Bruce - 37.54% Martinez - 39.82% Pochettino (Soton only) - 38.89% Not much in it really. Another fact worthy of consideration is that he's had to operate with by far the lowest transfer budget of any Premier League club: http://www.transferleague.co.uk/league-tables/transfer-league-table-last-five-seasons.html That's 140 million less than Villa, 136 million less than Stoke and even 95 million less than the mackems, all of who we're currently above in the league. Despite all of this I would still like to see him sacked btw. What does any of this actually mean though? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Great team you've picked today Alan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest palnese Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Shitjew Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 I am loving this. "The problem with the 'facts' argument is..." Seriously: are we debating whether or not we should be using facts Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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