Interpolic Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 You've lost me?... You said "we've not much quality to pick from looking at the bench." Which bench? The one I saw had Cisse, Ben Arfa, Anita, Yanga-Mbiwa, Taylor and Haidara on it. 3 of them are defenders which 2 he used but I couldn't argue him keeping the same back 4... Anita is central midfield which was our best department today so couldn't argue with that... Up front I said I wouldn't of played Shola which removes Cisse from the bench also... I'd of liked to of seen a front 3 of Remy Cisse HBA... He made the HBA change at HT with us looking the better team but before he could get into his stride Colo got injured and Debuchy foolishly red carded... The blame more lies with HBA not shooting at the end and two bad touches by Remy when put through twice... You can't just keep blaming everything on someone not on the pitch... That implies we did enough to win the game and were unfortunate. We didn't and we weren't. People were saying similar after Swansea and Southampton, but a couple of missed chances don't make a performance acceptable or worthy of a win. Surely in that case it's the players who do the performing is where you are laying the blame at then?... Eh, seriously? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 You've lost me?... You said "we've not much quality to pick from looking at the bench." Which bench? The one I saw had Cisse, Ben Arfa, Anita, Yanga-Mbiwa, Taylor and Haidara on it. 3 of them are defenders which 2 he used but I couldn't argue him keeping the same back 4... Anita is central midfield which was our best department today so couldn't argue with that... Up front I said I wouldn't of played Shola which removes Cisse from the bench also... I'd of liked to of seen a front 3 of Remy Cisse HBA... He made the HBA change at HT with us looking the better team but before he could get into his stride Colo got injured and Debuchy foolishly red carded... The blame more lies with HBA not shooting at the end and two bad touches by Remy when put through twice... You can't just keep blaming everything on someone not on the pitch... That implies we did enough to win the game and were unfortunate. We didn't and we weren't. People were saying similar after Swansea and Southampton, but a couple of missed chances don't make a performance acceptable or worthy of a win. Surely in that case it's the players who do the performing is where you are laying the blame at then?... Eh, seriously? You criticised the performances... The players are the ones who do the performing... I don't see what's hard to understand... I'm gathering you lie the the blame elsewhere... So out of interest in basic % terms how much % do you blame the players today and how much % do you blame AP?... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 You criticised the performances... The players are the ones who do the performing... I don't see what's hard to understand... I'm gathering you lie the the blame elsewhere... So out of interest in basic % terms how much % do you blame the players today and how much % do you blame AP?... For me players 30%, manager 70%. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 Wow... But fair play to you for giving a straight answer... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 You've lost me?... You said "we've not much quality to pick from looking at the bench." Which bench? The one I saw had Cisse, Ben Arfa, Anita, Yanga-Mbiwa, Taylor and Haidara on it. 3 of them are defenders which 2 he used but I couldn't argue him keeping the same back 4... Anita is central midfield which was our best department today so couldn't argue with that... Up front I said I wouldn't of played Shola which removes Cisse from the bench also... I'd of liked to of seen a front 3 of Remy Cisse HBA... He made the HBA change at HT with us looking the better team but before he could get into his stride Colo got injured and Debuchy foolishly red carded... The blame more lies with HBA not shooting at the end and two bad touches by Remy when put through twice... You can't just keep blaming everything on someone not on the pitch... That implies we did enough to win the game and were unfortunate. We didn't and we weren't. People were saying similar after Swansea and Southampton, but a couple of missed chances don't make a performance acceptable or worthy of a win. Surely in that case it's the players who do the performing is where you are laying the blame at then?... Eh, seriously? You criticised the performances... The players are the ones who do the performing... I don't see what's hard to understand... I'm gathering you lie the the blame elsewhere... So out of interest in basic % terms how much % do you blame the players today and how much % do you blame AP?... Our outlook on matches is what I was criticising, I don't blame the players for that much at all but obviously they have some responsibility for how they perform. We'll get back to the old "Is Pardew instructing them to play negatively at certain periods of the game or do the players decide to do it of their own accord?" argument again, which we should really avoid because nobody really knows the truth and nobody ever wins - I think I know what's far more likely based on who the manager is and years of watching football but that's not tangible evidence I suppose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 Wow... But fair play to you for giving a straight answer... We were setup to fail, he said himself that players were tired and that he needed to make changes. The only change he made was to drop Anita who hadn't played too much and brought in a statue who played the way he normally plays so nobody should be surprised at that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 Think Pardew could maybe have done things differently to effect the result today, but don't want to wholeheartedly blame the chap, considering the form we have had over the 10 games prior to today. People going OTT with their reactions in my opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 Weird the massive swings in our fortunes under Pardew. For a while we were fucking pants against the better teams, constantly lying down for them. Beating the shite kept us going. Last year we lost to nearly everyone of course, and now this year we're generally doing really well against the top teams and losing to the likes of Hull, Sunderland and West Brom. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 Weird the massive swings in our fortunes under Pardew. For a while we were f***ing pants against the better teams, constantly lying down for them. Beating the s**** kept us going. Last year we lost to nearly everyone of course, and now this year we're generally doing really well against the top teams and losing to the likes of Hull, Sunderland and West Brom. Self motivation is far easier against the better team, a lack of confidence could easily lead to being beaten off them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 Weird the massive swings in our fortunes under Pardew. For a while we were f***ing pants against the better teams, constantly lying down for them. Beating the s**** kept us going. Last year we lost to nearly everyone of course, and now this year we're generally doing really well against the top teams and losing to the likes of Hull, Sunderland and West Brom. Self motivation is far easier against the better team, a lack of confidence could easily lead to being beaten off them. Think is pretty much it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 I've said it before, but the club has no intention of challenging for the top 6 as things stand. With sensible investment this window (and some luck), it's something we could break into - but I believe that Ashley will be happy enough for us to finish where we are. High enough to say we gave it a reasonable go, but also in no danger of qualifying for Europe. We'll know more about the ambition at the end of this month, as in who comes in but maybe's also - who is sold. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 I think it's fair to blame the players for some of the performance, Shola was shocking (again) Debuchy had a rush of blood and HBA made some bad decisions. BUT the same people that accuse people of being negative towards Pardew are the ones that fault the players for a bad game and praise Pardew for a good one. Glass houses! As soon as I saw the starting line up I blamed Pardew, the writing was on the wall, yes it's an away game but to play a defensive 4-4-2 against this lot was rediculous. No disrespect to Brom but we should have been taking the game to them. I agree we have players who must be feeling it by now but there's no rotation there, Pardew's won a few games on the bounce and is shit scared to change anything, irrespective of what effect it might have on the tired players or team performance. This was the perfect game to start Ben Arfa ON THE RIGHT, these out if position sub performances are doing no one any favours. I have him his praise when he was getting it right, this time Pardew, you were a fucking tool, admit it, change it and win us some matches or fuck off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 Why does he put Hatem on the left? Has he not eyes? Can he not see? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 Pardew = Troll Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnes23 Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 Hate this prick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 Back to his woeful best. Same failings as last year , can't rotate, can't deal with a few games close together, scared of his own shadow. Why can't some people see this? It'll catch us up again, it's inevitable; even if he had a decent 20 man squad I'm not convinced he could effectively manage it. Again, gotta hope for a bounceback now to keep the season on track. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiotes Witch Doctor Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 Most people I know are telling me to shut up and be happy with the loss because we've won a lot recently, grinds my tits. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorin Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 LOL; this is just ridic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 Most people I know are telling me to shut up and be happy with the loss because we've won a lot recently, grinds my tits. Like most UK politicians, the club have become expert at manipulating people's expectations and dumbing people down...get used to it, many fans believe Pardew is the best we could get... Unfortunately, under Ashley he probably is...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 It's honestly pointless getting excited about anything with this plank in charge, as we will never achieve anything with this clown in place. Even if Ashley spent multi-milions this prick would play negative football. How many times since he has been in charge have we totally dominated games over the 90 minutes? The best you will see is 45 minutes of remotely decent attacking football and today fully illustrated how much of a fraud he is with his team selection. The one missing link within the chain is a total playmaker in the middle of the park but that is not the Pardew way and he will continue to play either a negative 3 of Tiote, Cabaye (who is not a playmaker) and Anita or Tiote and Cabaye playing as a central midfield just in front of the back four. Sissoko is not a winger and Gouffran is not a winger but he plays them there as they are good at tracking back. He will go back to type against Man City with 3 in the middle, Sissoko and Gouffran under their strict defensive duties in tow and Remy isolated up front; as Man City just play around until they score in a comfortable afternoon. He will then send on the 3 musketeers at different intervals and resort to hoof ball once more. This bloke pisses me off no end, we have some talented individuals at this club who are being totally played against their capabilities. Can anyone really wonder why they want to better themselves and leave it's a no brainer with this idiot. But of course it's job done with the bloke at the top in charge 8 - 17th finish and no real interest in cups makes him a happy man. This - great post that sums it all up perfectly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 I wish the 'give us a wave' s*** would stop. I've already said before that the club have become expert at managing expectations and dumbing down... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 I've said it before, but the club has no intention of challenging for the top 6 as things stand. With sensible investment this window (and some luck), it's something we could break into - but I believe that Ashley will be happy enough for us to finish where we are. High enough to say we gave it a reasonable go, but also in no danger of qualifying for Europe. We'll know more about the ambition at the end of this month, as in who comes in but maybe's also - who is sold. Every single transfer window, people say this. We know what his 'ambition' for the club is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 My grandkids will be talking about seeing how ambitious Ashley's grandkids are in January/summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
binnsy Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 amazed he hasn't rotated a bit over the xmas period, especially when a couple of weeks ago he was saying how strong the squad was and had players knocking on his door about not playing. Surely yesterday was a chance to give a "fresh" Cisse a game, surely a better option than Shola. Sissoko and Gouff looked dead on there feet against Arsenal and one of them should have been left out for Hatem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 I've said it before, but the club has no intention of challenging for the top 6 as things stand. With sensible investment this window (and some luck), it's something we could break into - but I believe that Ashley will be happy enough for us to finish where we are. High enough to say we gave it a reasonable go, but also in no danger of qualifying for Europe. We'll know more about the ambition at the end of this month, as in who comes in but maybe's also - who is sold. Every single transfer window, people say this. We know what his 'ambition' for the club is. The mantra of "40 points" seeping out of the club through multiple sources as we careered beyond 30 points in December tells you everything you need to know about our objectives. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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