Kanj Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 Might be giggs, but this c*** having the cheek to refer to himself in the same breath as sir bobby made me feel sick. "We've both had tough times here." You've broken club record after club record for being utterly s*** you moron. Bobby Robson narrowly failed to qualify for the Champions League. A large section of the fans have absolutely tried to hound you out of the club, Sunderland fans for whatever reason like to pretend that we hounded Robson out. You couldn't be more different to Bobby Robson if you tried. How f***ing dare you compare your situation or record to his. How dare you try to trivialise your 2014 form as if it was one of Robsons blips. Rant over. Very unwise of Pardew to draw that comparison, given his position, but...... A large number of supporters did turn against Sir Bob. It didn't reach the level of aggression that Pardew has faced, but it was there. And I think it was a factor in his decline and fall (although not the only one). People have forgotten this to a large degree, which is what galls me so much about the whole "dont be negative towards the manager/feel sorry for Pardew" he's not even a quarter of the man Sir Bob was. FYI - don't for a second think he's not being coached up by that PR fella who looks like he was transported from the late 90's, Kieth Bishop. Bishop and his team will know buzz words that evoke any bit of sympathy from the lambs, and that is Kevin Keegan & Sir Bobby. More so Sir Bobby given he was an older man, more recent memory, didn't fall out with Ashley, and passed away so can't even comment. It's a SICK fucking game those PR folks play and there's a reason why Bishop is around. Anything Pardew says that isn't football tactic/player related, is Bishop's coaching. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 Can't bear this thread at the minute like. I used to think I'd take a few days off work the day he left, now I think I might just pack in my job altogether. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 I'm just trying not to think about it. Thank fuck for an international break soon, week off from this cunt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 Keegan's words are disappointing to hear like regardless of his hatred of Ashley. Love the bloke but I wish he'd just say nothing at all on the subject, same with Shearer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 Keegan's words are disappointing to hear like regardless of his hatred of Ashley. Love the bloke but I wish he'd just say nothing at all on the subject, same with Shearer. There was a great bit in the latest ShiteSeats podcast where one of them, might've been Bowlingcrofty, goes on about how this regime is killing the club off - old and new. So many great names associated with the football club - real bastions of the club's history - becoming disliked because they're supportive of some figment of the regime. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 I can't either, but fuck him. He talks utter nonsense about our situation. And I think him, Pedro and Shearer constantly defending Pardew is part of the reason the campaign failed to ignite. i think this might very well be the truth, if a couple of them had come out at the right time in the papers and said change was needed the majority would have joined in Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
polpolpol Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 One of the main problems over the last two years has been the failure of the team to compress, leading to the huge distance between the back line and the forward line. He's been unbelievably lucky that the changes he's accidentally made recently have addressed this issue. I say accidental, because I'm sure it's not something that has ever bothered him or he ever wanted to change. Having the players spread out over the pitch leads to his holy grail – the scrappy, broken up game. Of course, it also made our team woeful and ineffective. But anyway: (1) Taylor for Williamson. Williamson was so slow he'd try and stay very deep. On top of that, he'd never push up out of the box when we got possession at anything more than a narrow-eyed, resentful lurch. The back line moves out more quickly now and compresses the team. (2) Change of front players. Getting rid of the forwards / forwards-as-wingers who tended to push as high up as possible the second we got the ball and remain static, and their replacement with real wingers and a forward who can link up (Perez). These players all start a lot deeper, so the front line has been pulled back compressing the team more. As a result, there's sometimes more than two players in camera shot when Newcastle have the ball at the moment! Is the corner turned? No. He'll ride this streak out until it falls apart or he breaks it, learn nothing, and the 3-0s will start piling up again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 Keegan's words are disappointing to hear like regardless of his hatred of Ashley. Love the bloke but I wish he'd just say nothing at all on the subject, same with Shearer. Keegan's experience in 2008 should make him even less inclined to praise Pardew. Firstly because he knows the type of cowardly snake who'd accept working under such conditions for 4 years, secondly because knows how low Mike Ashley's ambitions are, and thirdly because he should be acutely aware that it is possible to play reasonably attractive, effective football under the Ashley model. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 Keegan actually congratulates the board for sticking with Pardew. The same board he feuded with, he now gives credit for sticking by Alan Pardew. That is beyond upsetting man. Why on earth would he say that?! Man ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 KK and any other manager or former manager would never stick the boot in. Especially towards an English manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 He didn't congratulate the board really, he just said they "reaped the rewards for sticking with him" and also included "for whatever reason". The headline is a bit over the top. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 KK and any other manager or former manager would never stick the boot in. Especially towards an English manager. Clearly no middle ground between sticking the boot in and consistently lavishing him with praise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 Keegan's words are disappointing to hear like regardless of his hatred of Ashley. Love the bloke but I wish he'd just say nothing at all on the subject, same with Shearer. Keegan's experience in 2008 should make him even less inclined to praise Pardew. Firstly because he knows the type of cowardly snake who'd accept working under such conditions for 4 years, secondly because knows how low Mike Ashley's ambitions are, and thirdly because he should be acutely aware that it is possible to play reasonably attractive, effective football under the Ashley model. This basically. As someone who prided himself in playing football the right way, and with a view to entertaining the paying fans, I just can't fathom why he'd endorse Pardew's 9 men behind the ball tactics where every player has to work at stopping the opposition rather than taking the game to the opposition. Absolutely the polar opposite of what he strived for himself. I can only imagine he hasn't watched many games or he's more interested in making out Pardew's done wonders with his hands tied behind his back. Either way it's not helpful to us, but it provides fantastic PR for Ashley and his 10th place is okay vision. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 Have you read Keegan's actual quotes? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 Have you read Keegan's actual quotes? Yes, like I said in my first reply to the article, he was praising Pardew with no mention of the turgid football he serves up for fans to watch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 "Remember it was only two years ago he was manager of the year so things do change quickly in football," said Keegan, who was launching the GoFest initiative at Surrey Sports Park. "But sometimes you have to give people who've done it before a little bit more patience, and just respect the fact that actually they've done better than this. "Sometimes you're going to hit brick walls in football, you're going to lose key players, you're going to sell players you shouldn't sell maybe, that Newcastle did with (Yohan) Cabaye in particular. "But for Alan I'm really pleased, as an ex-manager of Newcastle, you don't like to see managers just leaving the club every three to six months like some clubs. "I think the board there have got the rewards for sticking by him: and now they've got to keep it going. "They are halfway up the table, and they are not that far off the top six now strangely enough. "They can certainly harness this now to kick on and build again. I'm not really sure what's ambiguous about that, sounds like unequivocal support for Pardew to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 KK has never come out and "had a go" at other managers and I doubt he will do now....except for that one time when he had a go at Fergie after the Leeds game. I even remember him backing Sam Allerdyce at NUFC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomson Mouse Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 Very suspicious about that site just as I was with the mongos with the masks who held up that sign at the Liverpool game. Both instances have smb written all over them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RJberger Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 Tbh Keegan not openly slating another manager is sort of understandable - aside from the fact that they all have some sort of gentlemans agreement - critizising another manager opens up criticizism back as well - and most this side of Mourinho all have some sort of skeletons in their closet, doesnt look good for any of them. Two groups of monkeys flinging poo - neither comes out clean. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 It's fairly reserved praise as well, just the standard response to a question about another manager really. It's self evident that Keegan believes basically the opposite of Pardew when it comes to football philosophy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 Tbh Keegan not openly slating another manager is sort of understandable - aside from the fact that they all have some sort of gentlemans agreement - critizising another manager opens up criticizism back as well - and most this side of Mourinho all have some sort of skeletons in their closet, doesnt look good for any of them. Two groups of monkeys flinging poo - neither comes out clean. I wouldn't expect him to slate another manager, just showing a bit of sympathy would be more than enough. He's gone far beyond that there though. making excuses for his poor results and claiming the board are now getting their reward for sticking by him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RJberger Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 I wouldn't expect him to slate another manager, just showing a bit of sympathy would be more than enough. He's gone far beyond that there though. making excuses for his poor results and claiming the board are now getting their reward for sticking by him. The way Im reading it is that Pardew should/normally would have been gone ages ago going by results, for some reason ( which are beyond him ie he doesnt agree with ) board decided to stick with Pardew and suddenly we win 4 on the trot. So in that context, he is right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-421 Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 As the saying goes, while 'you can only beat whats in front of you', you can pick holes in all of the last 4 wins. Leicester - after a decent start to the season, the pace seems to be catching up with them and their form is slipping. We scraped a 1-0 win. Spurs - European hangover, not in best of form generally either. Preferred striker (Cisse) unfit so Pardew forced to start Perez, who scores winner. Man City - rested a few players who'd normally start and didn't play as well as normal, whilst with the line-up he picked, Pardew could never have dreamt we'd actually get a result. Players deserve huge credit for that result. Liverpool - Another team not playing well so far this season, missing key players/striker(s). Obviously confidence is growing which has also helped build momentum, but to suggest this run is down to Pardew (as some of the media are), is very short sighted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 I imagine that Pardew will be thinking that Keegan's support would have been a lot more useful 2 or 3 weeks ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varadi Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 Nominated for Manager of the Month: http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/newcastle-uniteds-alan-pardew-been-8060069? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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