Unbelievable Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 Think he meant rumours it was a suicide attempt today. not in the past Aye Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 Hope the latest that the injuries aren't life-threatening is true. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveItIfWeBeatU Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 If it was a suicide attempt, I'm aware suicidal people aren't thinking rationally but killing yourself in a way which will involve innocent people (I.e. jumping in front of a train, off a bridge, in front of traffic, etc.) is extremely unfair on those people. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 Think he meant rumours it was a suicide attempt today. not in the past He's admitted that he's tried to kill himself before. He done the documentary about depression in Football after Gary Speed's death. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 If it was a suicide attempt, I'm aware suicidal people aren't thinking rationally but killing yourself in a way which will involve innocent people (I.e. jumping in front of a train, off a bridge, in front of traffic, etc.) is extremely unfair on those people. It is unfair involving others but suicide is an unfair act anyway as people are always hurt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveItIfWeBeatU Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 The worst thing is they can end up killing other people. I've seen stories in the media about how someone attempted to kill them self by driving their car in to traffic coming the other way. Inevitably they survived the crash but the family they crashed into all died. Someone jumping off a motorway bridge as traffic passes underneath becomes a lethal projectile. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 All the best to him, really tough what he's been through with depression. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan_Taylor Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 All the best to him, really tough what he's been through with depression. As someone who's currently struggling with depression. I can understand what he's going through. I'm just glad I don't feel that way. Hope he pulls through. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaus Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 s*** really hope he pulls through. If it was a genuine suicide attempt I hope he gets the support he needs with his mental health too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 As someone who's currently struggling with depression. Hope you're finding ways to deal with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 If it was a suicide attempt, I'm aware suicidal people aren't thinking rationally but killing yourself in a way which will involve innocent people (I.e. jumping in front of a train, off a bridge, in front of traffic, etc.) is extremely unfair on those people. The second half of your sentence is totally explained by the first, mind. Like you said. Imagine what must be going through someone's mind to push them to the edge of suicide, or indeed to actually do it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 If it was a suicide attempt, I'm aware suicidal people aren't thinking rationally but killing yourself in a way which will involve innocent people (I.e. jumping in front of a train, off a bridge, in front of traffic, etc.) is extremely unfair on those people. The second half of your sentence is totally explained by the first, mind. Like you said. Imagine what must be going through someone's mind to push them to the edge of suicide, or indeed to actually do it. Totally bang on like. Never got the selfish comment from others because of what you've said. Although I can see why people would label it as a selfish act. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maybe_next_year Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 You'd hope that by 2014 this idea of it being 'selfish' would be a thing of the past . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 You'd hope that by 2014 this idea of it being 'selfish' would be a thing of the past . Yeh, hate when people say it's the cowards way out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 What's selfish is people who think someone that's depressed should be putting everyone else first. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ste Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 It's a disgusting attitude to take. I hope Clarke recovers from this and it strengthens his resolve. I hope the near death situation makes him realise his life is worth living, and he didn't want it to end. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 What's selfish is people who think someone that's depressed should be putting everyone else first. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 On a related note if anyone hasn't read the book on the German keeper Robert Enke I strongly recommend it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 You'd hope that by 2014 this idea of it being 'selfish' would be a thing of the past . Yeh, hate when people say it's the cowards way out. That's not what LIIWBY is saying though, is it? I agree with him that (attempting to) commit suicide by causing an accident involving innocent others is not, on the face of it, a very social thing to do. However, it is also clear that people who do this are not thinking straight, so it's hard to judge really. I saw a very moving documentary the other day about a girl who was going to commit suicide and that followed her preparations. She planned the whole thing meticulously, said goodbye to her father and friends (who knew what she was planning) and finally overdosed in exactly the way she had planned. Suicide is always painful of course for everybody involved, but if people feel they are better off that way, I think this is a much more 'honourable' approach. I can not imagine how I would feel if my wife and kids perished in an accident caused by somebody committing suicide. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ankles Bennett Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 I saw a woman commit suicide by jumping in front of the Birmingham to Euston express train way back in 1988. She literally exploded when the train hit her and the commuters waiting on the Hemel Hempstead platform were drenched in blood and gore. People were running around in hysterics. For some unexplicable reason, I had gone into the waiting room, when I normally stood right where she jumped in front of the train. I still recall it like it was yesterday even though it happened over 26 years ago. I dont suppose it will ever leave me.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 This is so grim. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 MrsC @gemmacarlisle 23m23 minutes ago Clarke's very poorly but he's alive and stable. Best Christmas gift we as a family could wish for. Thanks again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 You'd hope that by 2014 this idea of it being 'selfish' would be a thing of the past . Yeh, hate when people say it's the cowards way out. That's not what LIIWBY is saying though, is it? I agree with him that (attempting to) commit suicide by causing an accident involving innocent others is not, on the face of it, a very social thing to do. However, it is also clear that people who do this are not thinking straight, so it's hard to judge really. I saw a very moving documentary the other day about a girl who was going to commit suicide and that followed her preparations. She planned the whole thing meticulously, said goodbye to her father and friends (who knew what she was planning) and finally overdosed in exactly the way she had planned. Suicide is always painful of course for everybody involved, but if people feel they are better off that way, I think this is a much more 'honourable' approach. I can not imagine how I would feel if my wife and kids perished in an accident caused by somebody committing suicide. Was this girl terminally ill? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ste Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 MrsC @gemmacarlisle 23m23 minutes ago Clarke's very poorly but he's alive and stable. Best Christmas gift we as a family could wish for. Thanks again. That's a good way of looking at it, presuming it wasn't an accident. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 You'd hope that by 2014 this idea of it being 'selfish' would be a thing of the past . Yeh, hate when people say it's the cowards way out. That's not what LIIWBY is saying though, is it? I agree with him that (attempting to) commit suicide by causing an accident involving innocent others is not, on the face of it, a very social thing to do. However, it is also clear that people who do this are not thinking straight, so it's hard to judge really. I saw a very moving documentary the other day about a girl who was going to commit suicide and that followed her preparations. She planned the whole thing meticulously, said goodbye to her father and friends (who knew what she was planning) and finally overdosed in exactly the way she had planned. Suicide is always painful of course for everybody involved, but if people feel they are better off that way, I think this is a much more 'honourable' approach. I can not imagine how I would feel if my wife and kids perished in an accident caused by somebody committing suicide. Was this girl terminally ill? No. 20 year old girl suffering from depression. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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