Interpolic Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 Oh God Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 It's evidence of, in any walk of life just how far bluster and bullshit can get you, once players get past that and try and grip anything of substance then he ends up in his usual dire position and anyone's fault but mine siege mentality. Ie suss he's a cunt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 Aye - it's a fair summary of the bloke's managerial chops. Can generate a wave and ride it. You know sometimes when his team is on a roll they'll beat or have a decent performance against teh next oppo. When it's slump time, Gateshead could turn over any of his teams. Home, away it doesn't matter. Yep, this is what I always said about him. Thing I didn't realise was that none of it was to do with actually knowing what he's doing with tactics etc, it was just keeping the lads happy when someone in the team happens to win a game for him. How much of management is down to 'tactics'? I think someone like SMC is a good coach but perhaps a poor tactician and has poor motivation skills. Pardew seems pretty poor at everything but can whip up tremendous team spirit and is generally liked by players. I don't know TBH. How important a manager is in general is something that's hard to quantify. If you gave Steve Arsenal's squad he would get into the Championship quite easily I imagine. This season has raised a lot of those type of questions. The manager is just one piece in the puzzle of the club. We have an embedded culture of failure, and bad transfer policy, so any manager has a hard job on. Then again, to relegate a squad containing as many good players as this would seem to be something uniquely awful on the face of it. TBH I don't know how important a manager is, 'it depends' is probably the best answer. No way man Ian Fixed it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 Wha? You don't think McClaren could get Arsenal into the top 4? I think almost any manager could. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 You couldn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 I couldn't, no, but a professional football manager could. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 I couldn't, no, but a professional football manager could. Like Van Gaal and the massive money spent on his squad ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 I couldn't, no, but a professional football manager could. Like Van Gaal and the massive money spent on his squad ? Arsenal have a way better team though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 Didn't think I was making an outlandish claim there TBH, it was just an example of how it's hard to be sure how important a manager is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 I couldn't, no, but a professional football manager could. Like Van Gaal and the massive money spent on his squad ? Arsenal have a way better team though True, so do Chelsea but look where they are. McClaren is worse than most if not all managers in the Premiership. He'd have Arsenal out of the top 4, no doubt about it for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 Nah, that team could get into the top 4 on autopilot. Also worst managers in this league, the cunt this thread is about for a start. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 SMC has Arsenal 6th. Pards gets them second then 12th Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M4 Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 SMC has Arsenal 6th. Pards gets them second then 12th With a nice couple of 4-0 defeats to Tottenham along the way Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 SMC has Arsenal 6th. Pards gets them second then 12th With a nice couple of 4-0 defeats to Tottenham along the way Obviously told them they could let their hair down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 6th is kind to SMC though. 9th. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmoset Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 7th with an unlucky League Cup semi final defeat tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superior Acuña Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 I had the 'I thought Pardew did a good job with you. Didn't he come 5th?' conversation with a neutral last night. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 SMC has Arsenal 6th. Pards gets them second then 12th Pardew with Arsenal's squad would be a disaster. No chance he'd get second. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 Didn't think I was making an outlandish claim there TBH, it was just an example of how it's hard to be sure how important a manager is. We should know better than any club on the planet how important a good manager is by now. Stop playing, or being, dumb. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 SMC has Arsenal 6th. Pards gets them second then 12th Pardew with Arsenal's squad would be a disaster. No chance he'd get second. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 http://blog.betbright.com/football/alan-pardew-boom-and-bust/ That's a lovely written article Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altamullan Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 The question of what difference a manager can make, in footy or other 'team' activity, interests me. I do think that some 'teams' can vary in arange of important characteristics. Off teh top of my head, things like: how self-motivated/engaged with ‘the task’ they are, how much sense of team identity/camaraderie is present, how highly competent individuals are, how self-managing they are/how many natural leaders there are ‘on the pitch’, seem important. If this is right, then a manager’s impact could be quite irrelevant, or could actually mess-up an otherwise high functioning team. However, I assume that even the highest functioning team could be helped by an excellent manager/coach (Shankly came to mind for some reason) who (more often than not) gets the balance right between knowing when to say nowt/take them for a game of golf, and knowing when to take them apart. I think teams like Wenger’s Invincibles, or Dalglish’s Liverpool double-winners (when he was still playing/managing) would probably have done just as well without a manager, but worse with a crap one, particularly one who stamped his authority/made sure he had an influence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 Aye - it's a fair summary of the bloke's managerial chops. Can generate a wave and ride it. You know sometimes when his team is on a roll they'll beat or have a decent performance against teh next oppo. When it's slump time, Gateshead could turn over any of his teams. Home, away it doesn't matter. Yep, this is what I always said about him. Thing I didn't realise was that none of it was to do with actually knowing what he's doing with tactics etc, it was just keeping the lads happy when someone in the team happens to win a game for him. How much of management is down to 'tactics'? I think someone like SMC is a good coach but perhaps a poor tactician and has poor motivation skills. Pardew seems pretty poor at everything but can whip up tremendous team spirit and is generally liked by players. I don't know TBH. How important a manager is in general is something that's hard to quantify. If you gave Steve Arsenal's squad he would get into the Champions League quite easily I imagine. This season has raised a lot of those type of questions. The manager is just one piece in the puzzle of the club. We have an embedded culture of failure, and bad transfer policy, so any manager has a hard job on. Then again, to relegate a squad containing as many good players as this would seem to be something uniquely awful on the face of it. TBH I don't know how important a manager is, 'it depends' is probably the best answer. This post made a lot of us sad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlito Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 I had the 'I thought Pardew did a good job with you. Didn't he come 5th?' conversation with a neutral last night. I think we all have mate. Aye - it's a fair summary of the bloke's managerial chops. Can generate a wave and ride it. You know sometimes when his team is on a roll they'll beat or have a decent performance against teh next oppo. When it's slump time, Gateshead could turn over any of his teams. Home, away it doesn't matter. Yep, this is what I always said about him. Thing I didn't realise was that none of it was to do with actually knowing what he's doing with tactics etc, it was just keeping the lads happy when someone in the team happens to win a game for him. How much of management is down to 'tactics'? I think someone like SMC is a good coach but perhaps a poor tactician and has poor motivation skills. Pardew seems pretty poor at everything but can whip up tremendous team spirit and is generally liked by players. I don't know TBH. How important a manager is in general is something that's hard to quantify. If you gave Steve Arsenal's squad he would get into the Champions League quite easily I imagine. This season has raised a lot of those type of questions. The manager is just one piece in the puzzle of the club. We have an embedded culture of failure, and bad transfer policy, so any manager has a hard job on. Then again, to relegate a squad containing as many good players as this would seem to be something uniquely awful on the face of it. TBH I don't know how important a manager is, 'it depends' is probably the best answer. This post made a lot of us sad. at McClaren getting Arsenal in the Champions League. They'd be where Chelsea are now if they had that arse cake in charge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 This post made a lot of us sad. Why? It wasn't a point about McClaren being great, it was a point about it being hard to judge managers with certain players available to them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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