Dave Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 Wouldn't be surprised if that stuff about talks today is entirely fabricated. What is there to talk about? If he wants to stay, why would anything they've already agreed change? And that's why he'll leave regardless, when they f*** him over or offer a massive wage cut. caulkin was asked this, said his info didn't come from the clubs end, came from rafa's. So unless he's in their pocket, which i doubt, it suggests talks took place. Fair enough. Doesn't change my point about them fucking him over though. They've got plenty of previous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 Wouldn't be surprised if that stuff about talks today is entirely fabricated. What is there to talk about? If he wants to stay, why would anything they've already agreed change? And that's why he'll leave regardless, when they f*** him over or offer a massive wage cut. caulkin was asked this, said his info didn't come from the clubs end, came from rafa's. So unless he's in their pocket, which i doubt, it suggests talks took place. Fair enough. Doesn't change my point about them f***ing him over though. They've got plenty of previous. Yep, that's the big worry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samptime29 Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 I think it's maybe 50/50 if he stays. The fact that the fans really like will help - obviously its human nature to be wanted. Ashley needs to give him full control, with a Premier league wage, cash for transfers. If we get promoted next year - its all good. But if we don't get out the first year we could struggle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 I'm holding on to the fact that he came here surely in the knowledge that there was a strong possibility of us being relegated. If he didn't plan on sticking around he mightn't have taken the job on the first place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 Best manager in English football by a mile. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 I'm holding on to the fact that he came here surely in the knowledge that there was a strong possibility of us being relegated. If he didn't plan on sticking around he mightn't have taken the job on the first place. Fair point, although on the other hand the release clause was made pretty public early on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicane Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 Beardsley Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 He will stay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 I'm holding on to the fact that he came here surely in the knowledge that there was a strong possibility of us being relegated. If he didn't plan on sticking around he mightn't have taken the job on the first place. Fair point, although on the other hand the release clause was made pretty public early on. I'm just clutching, mate. Need a tiny spec of light after all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 If we survived then the club would have had to give full control to him on transfers in anyway. If they deliver what they promised to him in the first place then hopefully he'll stay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 That's what I was saying the other day - seems there's not much to it other than Rafa deciding if it's worth the bother. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 That's what I was saying the other day - seems there's not much to it other than Rafa deciding if it's worth the bother. I'm mostly worried about them being cuntish and going back on their word. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 Think deep down he wants to stay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 That's what I was saying the other day - seems there's not much to it other than Rafa deciding if it's worth the bother. Do you genuinely believe we won't ask him to take a wage cut? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 That's what I was saying the other day - seems there's not much to it other than Rafa deciding if it's worth the bother. Do you genuinely believe we won't ask him to take a wage cut? Don't really know, obviously anything is possible under this regime. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 That's what I was saying the other day - seems there's not much to it other than Rafa deciding if it's worth the bother. Do you genuinely believe we won't ask him to take a wage cut? He'll be on what, 2 million a year? He's our best chance at coming straight up, that's peanuts compared to the money we'll get if we're promoted. But it's Charnley, so probably. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leazes_End_Mag Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 The noises from the media sound positive but ive lost count how many times ive thought that when reading about Ashley's NUFC and its came back to haunt me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 It won't drag on to June. End of May tops. A day after the end of May is June. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 It won't drag on to June. End of May tops. A day after the end of May is June. That absolutely killed me man Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 Jason Burt @JBurtTelegraph Was also told that intermediaries - sniffing a deal - had sounded out Benitez to see if he wanted Southampton job and he said no. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 Excellent article... http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/rafa-benitez-is-the-messiah-newcastle-so-desperately-need-and-why-they-are-desperately-trying-to-a7026671.html Really good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 That's what I was saying the other day - seems there's not much to it other than Rafa deciding if it's worth the bother. Do you genuinely believe we won't ask him to take a wage cut? If they do then they deserve us all to stop supporting them. What we'd save from him taking a pay cut is insignificant. His wage will be a few percent of our total wage bill, yet his worth is immeasurable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhoywhonder Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 TV money in premier league 2017 = 100 mill TV money in Championship 2017 = 3 mill Constructive dismissal costs to J Gutierrez = 2 mill Ashleys share price loss on sports direct in 2016 = approx 1 billion net loss = sheeeeeeeeit Bye Rafa, was wonderful knowing you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 Not getting my hope up... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 His original talks when he first came took yonks so surely this situation was discussed, Charnley must know now that the best chance he has to save his job is to keep Rafa in his. If he can be convinced to stay and rebuild the club so we have a youth team that works and a first team that has round pegs in round holes then a season in the championship might just be worth it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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