Guest firetotheworks Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 What a surprise, people still refusing to look at things objectively. Why would Hardy lie? FWIW, aiming for top 5 isn't necessarily anything other than getting the right mentality into everyone. Aim for the moon and you might get the stars and all that, to paraphrase Keegan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 Yeah the top 5 thing has to be crap, it would take us a number of years to challenge that high. Not sure Hardy is the type to talk shite in such an open way. Why would he risk his relationship with Benitez for a Q&A with Sky? I wouldn't be surprised if he thinks very carefully about what he says about the club and the manager, to the extent he'll even be trotting out a particular message to suit the latter's agenda. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 This quote from Hardy should be shown to fat Mike... When Benitez goes, Newcastle will crumble. I really don't think he understands how bad it will be if Rafa walks away. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 i think the top 5 comment has more do with the sustained growth and continued investment to improve, not this nickel and diming bullshit. Yep. Those who thinks Rafa would be content with a side that wouldn't be challenging for a top 5 spot are the ones who are deluded. He's not daft, he wouldn't expect to do it first season back, but within a year we could have been more than pushing on for it. Obviously you need better players though, you can't do it with Championship players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 This quote from Hardy should be shown to fat Mike... When Benitez goes, Newcastle will crumble. I really don't think he understands how bad it will be if Rafa walks away. I think he doesn't care; he'd rather run it into the ground than not get his way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 Worrying quotes from Martin Hardy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Five o Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 This club, always problems lurking under the surface. Frustrating as fuck that we can not have a club that is pulling in the same direction from top to bottom. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 I'm starting to get slightly uneasy if Hardy's saying that. Although I have no idea which 2 he expects below us if we're potentially top 5. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 Yeah the top 5 thing has to be crap, it would take us a number of years to challenge that high. Not sure Hardy is the type to talk shite in such an open way. Why would he risk his relationship with Benitez for a Q&A with Sky? I wouldn't be surprised if he thinks very carefully about what he says about the club and the manager, to the extent he'll even be trotting out a particular message to suit the latter's agenda. He said similar on one of the TF podcasts. Top 5 as end goal for the 'project'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 Top 5 as newly promoted Clickbait bullshit. Doubt it means this season, just potentially after a few years of improvement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 The deniers are starting to appear on Facebook - being accused of doom-mongering! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaqen Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 Top 5 as newly promoted Clickbait bullshit. Doubt it means this season, just potentially after a few years of improvement. Its amazing whenever a trusted source talks about Rafa's ambition and frustrations with the club people accuse them of lying Rafa seeing the potential of a club like this, setting high goals but getting fucked around really doesn't sound like bullshit to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddy Chibas Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 What a surprise, people still refusing to look at things objectively. Why would Hardy lie? FWIW, aiming for top 5 isn't necessarily anything other than getting the right mentality into everyone. Aim for the moon and you might get the stars and all that, to paraphrase Keegan. Rafa is big time, Ashley's Sports Direct United is and will always be a zombie club in need of a company man, without any semblance of professional & competitive pride to coach the team. The disconnect between the current manager and the regime is massive. May as well bring back Pardew. This lot must have breathed a huge sigh of relief when when a potential albeit costly gem/Iheanacho (on Rafa's hit list) evnetually secured a move to Leicester. Will be a gut punch, for Rafa, if Perez secures an escape from Arsenal, with a move to Turkey or Spain, while we were playing the sell-to-buy game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 Desperately hoping for that rumoured takeover to happen before the end of this season. Can't imagine Rafa will want to do another summer under Ashley. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 All the evidence points to this being true, All the previous points to this being true. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 What a surprise, people still refusing to look at things objectively. Why would Hardy lie? FWIW, aiming for top 5 isn't necessarily anything other than getting the right mentality into everyone. Aim for the moon and you might get the stars and all that, to paraphrase Keegan. Rafa is big time, Ashley's Sports Direct United is and will always be a zombie club in need of a company man, without any semblance of professional & competitive pride to coach the team. The disconnect between the current manager and the regime is massive. May as well bring back Pardew. This lot must have breathed a huge sigh of relief when when a potential albeit costly gem/Iheanacho (on Rafa's hit list) evnetually secured a move to Leicester. Will be a gut punch, for Rafa, if Perez secures an escape from Arsenal, with a move to Turkey or Spain, while we were playing the sell-to-buy game. I don't know about Perez since it seems he wants to go back to Spain, but we should have been in there pitching for Iheanacho at that price. Hard to see past one more season with Rafa here tbh. He's going to be sickened to the core by the time he's done with this lot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 Of course Ashley knows, he just doesn't care. He's never cared. He bought this club to be his toy to do what he pleased with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 Have to hope he gets a couple more signings in this month, this season goes reasonably well, and sometime in the next 10 months Ashley finds a buyer. It's probably the only scenario where this could end well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 Always the same...Say whatever the manager wants to hear and then do the bear minimum they can get away with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1964 Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 Of course Ashley knows, he just doesn't care. He's never cared. He bought this club to be his toy to do what he pleased with. And Benitez knew this before he took the job. I can't be arsed with this will he won't he walk nonsense and to be honest if he does then we've lost a good manager but one who knew what he was getting into. I don't want to be in a situation where were are crapping ourselves every day in case he gets upset and walks out, it's ridiculous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 Of course Ashley knows, he just doesn't care. He's never cared. He bought this club to be his toy to do what he pleased with. And Benitez knew this before he took the job. I can't be arsed with this will he won't he walk nonsense and to be honest if he does then we've lost a good manager but one who knew what he was getting into. I don't want to be in a situation where were are crapping ourselves every day in case he gets upset and walks out, it's ridiculous. wish the season would start ffs then again they'll wheel rafa in front of the cameras and try to get him to say he's qutting over transfers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 Of course Ashley knows, he just doesn't care. He's never cared. He bought this club to be his toy to do what he pleased with. And Benitez knew this before he took the job. I can't be arsed with this will he won't he walk nonsense and to be honest if he does then we've lost a good manager but one who knew what he was getting into. I don't want to be in a situation where were are crapping ourselves every day in case he gets upset and walks out, it's ridiculous. We'll have these rumours swirling around every transfer window. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 Of course Ashley knows, he just doesn't care. He's never cared. He bought this club to be his toy to do what he pleased with. And Benitez knew this before he took the job. I can't be arsed with this will he won't he walk nonsense and to be honest if he does then we've lost a good manager but one who knew what he was getting into. I don't want to be in a situation where were are crapping ourselves every day in case he gets upset and walks out, it's ridiculous. Been trying to put my thoughts into words and you've pretty much nailed it. It's always going to be a house of cards under Ashley, but I'd rather not worry about that every single day. I'd rather enjoy the ride, as enervating as that ride is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 Starting to feel it's more inevitable to wake up to news of rafa walking than news of us signing anyone. Sickening feeling. How much more trolling can Ashley do? Answer: lots. Far too much credit to say he is trolling. He is just a complete moron. On to an absolute winner with rafa and the club's future but he is intent on letting it completely crumble to save a couple of quid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 Has there ever been an enjoyable Ashley transfer window? The whole thing just becomes so tiresome. I'd love to be able to just ignore it completely, but given the precariousness of Rafa's position, I can't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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