Chris_R Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 Yeah not playing does not equate to injured. You can't look at appearances and automatically decide that when someone wasn't playing they must have been crocked, that's daft talk. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 It was the same with De Jong the season we went down actually. I'm pretty sure he was only actually injured 4-6 weeks all season. A lot of the time he was just on the bench. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakka Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 The amount of dross on our books was always going to be a major issue this summer. Like it or not, we're not going to pay players not to be in the squad and lounge around collecting their wages. Therefore we need to find clubs to take them. It's massively grating me that this is a major blockage. Majority of the dross Rafa has inherited and it's Ashleys horrendous bargain buying that's caused it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 In the end what's going to happen is we'll have to agree to loan them out and deal with the same issue again next year, i'll be shocked if we sell most of the deadwood we have if i'm honest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 Napoli after Rulli which of course is good for us if we still want Reina. Don't Man City effectively own him? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 The amount of dross on our books was always going to be a major issue this summer. Like it or not, we're not going to pay players not to be in the squad and lounge around collecting their wages. Therefore we need to find clubs to take them. It's massively grating me that this is a major blockage. Majority of the dross Rafa has inherited and it's Ashleys horrendous bargain buying that's caused it. If it's proving to be a blockage then you have to wonder what incentive there is on our part to remove it? Are we looking for unrealistic fees for deadweight like Riviere? If there's no demand then we have to get them out at a loss. This must be the sort of stuff that Rafa is hinting at when he talks about actual money to spend. It wouldn't be so bad if other clubs like Everton had owners who played by the same rules. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 I think we'd get rid of Riviere on a free if we could but we'd struggle to find teams willing to match his wages Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 Unsurprisingly theres not a lot of interest in our deadwood. You'd think that we could find buyers for Darlow and Hanley. Krul, Saivet, Riviera, Haidara and maybe even Lazaar may have to be sent on loan, with us paying a proportion of their wages still as they haven't exactly impressed anywhere lately. Also Gamez possibly. That leaves Mitrovic, Colback, Diame and Mbemba as the only real saleable assets. Can't (unfortunately) see Rafa getting rid of Colback or Diame this summer, think Mitro may well be sold. That would leave us with 20 senior players, and needing a new GK, LB, CM, CF and hopefully no10. Lot of work to be done if we want to be prepared for the season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 3 weeks till the first game. Squad looks seriously shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altamullan Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 Re deadwood/services not required, 7 out (inc two loans) and 4 in. We are getting there assuming momentum continues. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 Still linked with James McCarthy in The Sun. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 Odd tweet: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_F Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 Odd tweet: I haven't a fucking clue who we're after but let's make it seem like I'm itk and have to keep quiet about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordiedean Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 3 weeks till the first game. Squad looks seriously shit. Certs for relegation in my eyes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 We wouldn't go down with this squad. We've stayed up with far worse with John Carver in charge just 3 years ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 If Carver was in charge for the whole season we'd have definitely been relegated Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakka Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 3 weeks till the first game. Squad looks seriously shit. Certs for relegation in my eyes Bookies view. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 Tempted sticking a fiver on Leicester at 16s, the wheels have got to come off at some point, new manager bounce in Shakespeare will subside, Huth and Morgan have got to die eventually, Mahrez off and Vardy off the boil perhaps.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 16s for Leicester isn't half bad tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveItIfWeBeatU Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 3 weeks till the first game. Squad looks seriously shit. Certs for relegation in my eyes At the end of last season 8 points separated 8th and 17th in the Premiership. I'd say the top clubs of the Championship aren't much difference in squad quality to the bottom 8 or so teams of the Premiership. A lot of players are loaned out near the end of the transfer window. Our squad could look very different by the end of the window. Newcastle at worst only have to stay ahead of Huddersfield, Brighton and one other team. Hopefully we'll be able to aim our sights higher than that though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varadi Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 Was looking at those betting odds earlier - bookies have us on average finishing 15th, although that probably factors in further assumed spending - get to the start of the season with no more in and I would expect to see those odds change. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 If we go into the season without strengthening in key positions we'll get what we deserve. As it stands we're having to hope that players who have struggled in the PL before will now be good enough to get us to around 40 points. I just don't see it. We struggled quite a bit at home last season and our away form was based on keeping out second rate attacks and us taking some of the chances that came our way. We were relegated with better players than we've currently got. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveItIfWeBeatU Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 If we go into the season without strengthening in key positions we'll get what we deserve. As it stands we're having to hope that players who have struggled in the PL before will now be good enough to get us to around 40 points. I just don't see it. We struggled quite a bit at home last season and our away form was based on keeping out second rate attacks and us taking some of the chances that came our way. We were relegated with better players than we've currently got. Agree but a lot of teams just sat back and hit us on the break in the Championship. Apparently Rafa prefers his teams to be counter attacking teams. We didn't get to do that much in the Championship. Not many teams are going to sit back against NUFC in the Premiership. Time will tell if this squad can cope with being attacked better than they could breaking stubborn teams down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 Was looking at those betting odds earlier - bookies have us on average finishing 15th, although that probably factors in further assumed spending - get to the start of the season with no more in and I would expect to see those odds change. Nah people underestimate how bad the bottom of the league is, unless we get really unlucky with injuries we'd probably stay up as is. That's nowhere near good enough though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 3 weeks till the first game. Squad looks seriously shit. Certs for relegation in my eyes Bookies view. That isn't the bookies' view based purely on our squad now, to be fair. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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