SteV Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Because we've only got a certain amount of money and need a lot of players. It may take a couple of seasons to buy all the players we actually need right now. So instead we'll loan a couple, leaving more cash to spend on the remaining areas we need to cover. Then the following season (hopefully) we'd buy players to replace the loans. What I mean is that if we should loan a player (I realise it's a good option moneywise to loan) I think we must have the option to buy. Say that Abraham becomes a big success and than we dont have a chance of signing him next season. Then we are back to squere one needing to find a new striker next season. Quite possibly, but we'll likely have additional funds to allocate towards that striker, and with a decent season behind could be a more attractive proposition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 If the delay is in him signing the extension, what happens if he doesn't ? The deal is off ? I assume he's only got a year left, that's why they want the extension otherwise he'll go for whatever a tribunal sets next summer. I wonder how long we are prepared to wait around and if we have some limit on how much we are willing to pay for his salary, obviously if we agreed to pay 50% of his wage and his wage right now is 10k that's a lot less than paying 50% of 45k. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
khay Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 With solanke they put in the reserves when he he refused to sign. They might do the same here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Because we've only got a certain amount of money and need a lot of players. It may take a couple of seasons to buy all the players we actually need right now. So instead we'll loan a couple, leaving more cash to spend on the remaining areas we need to cover. Then the following season (hopefully) we'd buy players to replace the loans. What I mean is that if we should loan a player (I realise it's a good option moneywise to loan) I think we must have the option to buy. Say that Abraham becomes a big success and than we dont have a chance of signing him next season. Then we are back to squere one needing to find a new striker next season. That's fine if you can find the right player on loan with an option to buy. But it seems that player isn't available in Rafa's view and the most important thing is the get the player he thinks is right not the one with an option to buy. I don't really like the idea of loans without an option to buy either. But sometimes its necessary and I wouldn't say it puts us back to square one. Because assuming Rafa gets most of his permanent signings right we'll need far less incomings next season, which means we can focus more time and money on a permanent striker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 If the delay is in him signing the extension, what happens if he doesn't ? The deal is off ? I assume he's only got a year left, that's why they want the extension otherwise he'll go for whatever a tribunal sets next summer. I wonder how long we are prepared to wait around and if we have some limit on how much we are willing to pay for his salary, obviously if we agreed to pay 50% of his wage and his wage right now is 10k that's a lot less than paying 50% of 45k. Can't see us being bothered at all about the wages, those numbers are all pretty small fry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Because we've only got a certain amount of money and need a lot of players. It may take a couple of seasons to buy all the players we actually need right now. So instead we'll loan a couple, leaving more cash to spend on the remaining areas we need to cover. Then the following season (hopefully) we'd buy players to replace the loans. What I mean is that if we should loan a player (I realise it's a good option moneywise to loan) I think we must have the option to buy. Say that Abraham becomes a big success and than we dont have a chance of signing him next season. Then we are back to squere one needing to find a new striker next season. That's fine if you can find the right player on loan with an option to buy. But it seems that player isn't available in Rafa's view and the most important thing is the get the player he thinks is right not the one with an option to buy. I don't really like the idea of loans without an option to buy either. But sometimes its necessary and I wouldn't say it puts us back to square one. Because assuming Rafa gets most of his permanent signings right we'll need far less incomings next season, which means we can focus more time and money on a permanent striker. Just because you don't agree an option to buy doesn't mean that a player won't be available following a loan, especially from a club like Chelsea. If anything a good season with us, even without an option to buy, could put us in pole position for a permanent transfer. See Lukaku, Romelu. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon No9 Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 Because we've only got a certain amount of money and need a lot of players. It may take a couple of seasons to buy all the players we actually need right now. So instead we'll loan a couple, leaving more cash to spend on the remaining areas we need to cover. Then the following season (hopefully) we'd buy players to replace the loans. What I mean is that if we should loan a player (I realise it's a good option moneywise to loan) I think we must have the option to buy. Say that Abraham becomes a big success and than we dont have a chance of signing him next season. Then we are back to squere one needing to find a new striker next season. That's fine if you can find the right player on loan with an option to buy. But it seems that player isn't available in Rafa's view and the most important thing is the get the player he thinks is right not the one with an option to buy. I don't really like the idea of loans without an option to buy either. But sometimes its necessary and I wouldn't say it puts us back to square one. Because assuming Rafa gets most of his permanent signings right we'll need far less incomings next season, which means we can focus more time and money on a permanent striker. Just because you don't agree an option to buy doesn't mean that a player won't be available following a loan, especially from a club like Chelsea. If anything a good season with us, even without an option to buy, could put us in pole position for a permanent transfer. See Lukaku, Romelu. There must be so many strikers out there who would like to join us with Rafa in charge. But I'd like Abraham on loan to be a backup/second striker with another good striker coming here on a permanent deal. And thats what I think is Rafas plan aswell. In Rafa we trust! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 Quotes direct from Abraham in the Chronicle which state that he himself hasn't made his mind up yet. First team football for a massive PL club under the tutelage of Benitez. Aye, it's tough one, like. Best keep your options open, lad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odear Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 Quotes direct from Abraham in the Chronicle which state that he himself hasn't made his mind up yet. First team football for a massive PL club under the tutelage of Benitez. Aye, it's tough one, like. Best keep your options open, lad. That's assuming there is actually an offer from Benitez to play here. Just because something is on the SSN ticker doesn't mean it's happened. They did after all say we had agreed a fee for Semedo which turned out to be bullshit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St1pe Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 I can understand why it's a difficult choice for him. Glen Murray wont be able to play a ton of games at Brighton and he could easily be first choice there. I think most of us are struggling to see how Abraham is going to fit in for us unless Gayle's injury problems continue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 No longer convinced this guy is a priority for Benitez. There have been rumblings about Gray, Batshuayi, Bakambu and Ings. If any of these come in and we still have Gayle, then Abraham will not get the kind of playing time he would want or need. He is with England over the summer at the under 21 Euros anyway, and so sealing this move now could be quite risky, as he could end up injured. Think this one is more of a contingency later down the line if moves for strikers we want don't pan out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mighty__mag Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 What is there to think about? Take a look at where Lukaku is after good loan spells at WBA. He should stop thinking about how many games he might get elsewhere, and start thinking about showing what he can do.If hes got it he will get games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 Some of you massively overrate the impact Rafa will have on players. He's not some sort of magician who clicks his fingers and people want to join, (Inb4 the gif ) because he's here doesn't mean players will want to join suddenly. It's what I was talking about when I said expectations will need to be tempered, as great as Rafa is he will not overcome the shitshow this club has been for nigh on a decade in one summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altamullan Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 Quotes direct from Abraham in the Chronicle which state that he himself hasn't made his mind up yet. First team football for a massive PL club under the tutelage of Benitez. Aye, it's tough one, like. Best keep your options open, lad. With an eye in that forgettable well-dressed Irish-fella with the hot girlfriend (Tobin), personally I don't want anyone who doesn't really want to be here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 Some of you massively overrate the impact Rafa will have on players. He's not some sort of magician who clicks his fingers and people want to join, (Inb4 the gif ) because he's here doesn't mean players will want to join suddenly. It's what I was talking about when I said expectations will need to be tempered, as great as Rafa is he will not overcome the shitshow this club has been for nigh on a decade in one summer. Where are you getting any of that from? Haven't see anyone saying Benitez will make players want to sign above all else like, unless I missed some lunatic post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haz Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 I think, however, we can all agree that Rafa can attract a better calibre footballer than say, Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 We should walk away as soon as he said he would think about our offer these young kids are far to big for their boots these days Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 Signing Lewandowski instead now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leazes_End_Mag Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 He's really not worth all this hassle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 What hassle? 'would you like to join us for a year?' 'interested but got one or two other offers. Just weighing up my options' 'k' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 It's outrageous that this kid wants to make sure he's making the best decision for his career. Mug him off, the dithering tit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 Though lt Caulkin said it was Charnley's fault though? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 Has this girly named prick signed yet? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altamullan Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 Has this girly named prick signed yet? You mean wor Kev? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbnufc Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 U21 euros start on friday. Probably waiting until after then to assess his options(/see if he has more)? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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