Mole_Toonfan Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 I don't think it's a myth it's more physical personally, it's just the PL has much higher technique, tactically intelligent players and all while playing at a much higher pace. But the physical thing in isolation is true imo, plus as mentioned the refs allow you to get away with a lot more tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 It's a bit of a presumption, but I feel like we have a lot of players of similar quality fighting for places rather than better players with worse players as back up. Of course I'd much prefer to have better players, but if Rafa's going more for an even spread to promote competition and so that back ups fit in without a big drop in quality, then I'm all for it. With that in mind, we now desperately need a striker, a central midfielder and a number 10, because behind our starters for those positions it's Mitrovic, Colback, and a battle between Diame/Perez/De Jong. Quite possibly and that approach could perhaps have merit in different circumstances but the problem is that we already have a lot of players who are below the quality required for the league we're in now and so adding more of the same standard doesn't really seem beneficial at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 It's a bit of a presumption, but I feel like we have a lot of players of similar quality fighting for places rather than better players with worse players as back up. Of course I'd much prefer to have better players, but if Rafa's going more for an even spread to promote competition and so that back ups fit in without a big drop in quality, then I'm all for it. With that in mind, we now desperately need a striker, a central midfielder and a number 10, because behind our starters for those positions it's Mitrovic, Colback, and a battle between Diame/Perez/De Jong. Quite possibly and that approach could perhaps have merit in different circumstances but the problem is that we already have a lot of players who are below the quality required for the league we're in now and so adding more of the same standard doesn't really seem beneficial at all. Personally I think Gayle, Ritchie, and Shelvey are Premier League quality and getting players in of similar quality would be a good move. On paper Murphy isn't too far away from Ritchie, and is arguably more of a prospect than Atsu. To me it seems like Lejeune will be fighting it out with either Lascelles or Clark for a centre back place. Of course the proof will be in the pudding, but I do get the feeling that it's more of a decent squad approach instead of a good first time and a poor second string. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 It's a bit of a presumption, but I feel like we have a lot of players of similar quality fighting for places rather than better players with worse players as back up. Of course I'd much prefer to have better players, but if Rafa's going more for an even spread to promote competition and so that back ups fit in without a big drop in quality, then I'm all for it. With that in mind, we now desperately need a striker, a central midfielder and a number 10, because behind our starters for those positions it's Mitrovic, Colback, and a battle between Diame/Perez/De Jong. Quite possibly and that approach could perhaps have merit in different circumstances but the problem is that we already have a lot of players who are below the quality required for the league we're in now and so adding more of the same standard doesn't really seem beneficial at all. Personally I think Gayle, Ritchie, and Shelvey are Premier League quality and getting players in of similar quality would be a good move. On paper Murphy isn't too far away from Ritchie, and is arguably more of a prospect than Atsu. To me it seems like Lejeune will be fighting it out with either Lascelles or Clark for a centre back place. Of course the proof will be in the pudding, but I do get the feeling that it's more of a decent squad approach instead of a good first time and a poor second string. Until Colback is behind at least 3 other central midfielders in the pecking order I'm not confident at all 1. Shelvey 2. Hayden 3. ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 A CM purchase must be in our plans, massive oversight if we don't get one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 It's a bit of a presumption, but I feel like we have a lot of players of similar quality fighting for places rather than better players with worse players as back up. Of course I'd much prefer to have better players, but if Rafa's going more for an even spread to promote competition and so that back ups fit in without a big drop in quality, then I'm all for it. With that in mind, we now desperately need a striker, a central midfielder and a number 10, because behind our starters for those positions it's Mitrovic, Colback, and a battle between Diame/Perez/De Jong. Quite possibly and that approach could perhaps have merit in different circumstances but the problem is that we already have a lot of players who are below the quality required for the league we're in now and so adding more of the same standard doesn't really seem beneficial at all. Personally I think Gayle, Ritchie, and Shelvey are Premier League quality and getting players in of similar quality would be a good move. On paper Murphy isn't too far away from Ritchie, and is arguably more of a prospect than Atsu. To me it seems like Lejeune will be fighting it out with either Lascelles or Clark for a centre back place. Of course the proof will be in the pudding, but I do get the feeling that it's more of a decent squad approach instead of a good first time and a poor second string. Until Colback is behind at least 3 other central midfielders in the pecking order I'm not confident at all 1. Shelvey 2. Hayden 3. ? I agree, as I was saying, if that's the way Rafa's going to do it then we now desperately need a Central Midfielder or two, a number 10, and another striker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiotes Witch Doctor Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 The thing is I got the impression Rafa preferred Colback over Hayden, if we dont bring anyone else in I could see him starting with Shelvey against Spurs, which would be absolute :anguish: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 We need a reliable central midfielder and even more important would be a high quality #10. I'm surprised the links have ran dry in those positions. Earlier in the window it was all about Cairney, Mooy, Pires, Samaris, Acquah etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 We need a reliable central midfielder and even more important would be a high quality #10. I'm surprised the links have ran dry in those positions. Earlier in the window it was all about Cairney, Mooy, Pires, Samaris, Acquah etc. I assume the whole 'we can only do one deal at a time' thing is actually true. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Rafa seems to have a complete idea of what we need, there's still 6 weeks to go. Barring the Mike factor I would be sure we'll address our main problems. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 The thing is I got the impression Rafa preferred Colback over Hayden, if we dont bring anyone else in I could see him starting with Shelvey against Spurs, which would be absolute :anguish: Rafa definitely didn't prefer him like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Lascelles saying he's signed before we've confirmed owt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Says we've got another fullback in too? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Says we've got another fullback in too? Yeah, i was wondering what he was on about there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 SSN reporter said after the interview it's not quite done, expected to be announced later today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlies Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Murphy has played there no, maybe he's a tad confused? Unless he's just let one hell of a cat out the bag. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Fullback? Hmm.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collage Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 "Passed first part of medical" according to Paperback. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHoob Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Bit of a slip from Lascelles then Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 We need a reliable central midfielder and even more important would be a high quality #10. I'm surprised the links have ran dry in those positions. Earlier in the window it was all about Cairney, Mooy, Pires, Samaris, Acquah etc. I think the CM is more important than the #10 if it comes to one or the other. I know they aren't top quality but we've already got De Jong and Perez for that role, and while he's on our books, Diame as well. I think Rafa might try and wing it with one of those for this season if our funds are limited. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 It's a bit of a presumption, but I feel like we have a lot of players of similar quality fighting for places rather than better players with worse players as back up. Of course I'd much prefer to have better players, but if Rafa's going more for an even spread to promote competition and so that back ups fit in without a big drop in quality, then I'm all for it. With that in mind, we now desperately need a striker, a central midfielder and a number 10, because behind our starters for those positions it's Mitrovic, Colback, and a battle between Diame/Perez/De Jong. I think Lejeune is a pretty big step up from our other CBs, tbh. He’s the only one out of the current crop that’s shown real quality over a longer period in a top league. I have faith in the other 3 stepping up, but I’m much more confident that Lejeune will make it – wouldn’t be surprised if he turns out to be one of the signings of the season. I expect the 'spine' signings will be players of higher quality as we can get away with it out wide a little more. Think you're generally right, though, Rafa's squad building for the long haul. As for Murphy, looking through some less biased comments about him from Norwich fans(many seem in denial that they've just lost their highest-scoring midfielder), the consensus is that he's got a lot of talent, is a good athlete, can be a game changer, but is inconsistent (natural for his position, especially at his age) and not the best defensively. Had a fluctuating season - started well, faded (along with the whole team, tbf) and then had a resurgence but not to the same level of the first 3rd of the season. He's obviously got some tools for Rafa to work with and I imagine he'll get a lot of game time this season, but I doubt he’ll be a set starter; more likely someone to add to the competition mix that starts when in form. I think less pressured game time alone will help him improve too. Probably burned out on a few occasions last season; he seems to have a little more physical filling out to do. I’d send Aarons out on loan to prove his fitness and get a senior winger in :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 We need a reliable central midfielder and even more important would be a high quality #10. I'm surprised the links have ran dry in those positions. Earlier in the window it was all about Cairney, Mooy, Pires, Samaris, Acquah etc. I think the CM is more important than the #10 if it comes to one or the other. I know they aren't top quality but we've already got De Jong and Perez for that role, and while he's on our books, Diame as well. I think Rafa might try and wing it with one of those for this season if our funds are limited. Tend to agree, although CM is a bit more complicated because we already have two players who will want to start. Obviously if the signing is a class above that doesn't matter so much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newcastle Fan Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 I'm happy with this one, we need a few good attacking players that can cause damage and he's one, but we need to sign a CM pretty quickly, and a left back too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Hope we announce this with a hilarious video where he walks into a bar with one of the locals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 We should be the club to do a piss take of these signing videos. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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