Other clubs' transfers

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[KaKa]

Giannis man 

[TheBrownBottle]

1 hour ago, KaKa said:

 

The other European leagues have been levelling these same complaints against the Premier league for a while now.

 

Premier league has had a good run. Had to end sometime though and this summer is the beginning of it.

The problem is that even if the PL lost ALL of its international TV revenues, it would still have a higher income than any other European league.  The domestic TV revenues alone are double that of La Liga or the Bundesliga.

 

And it is unlikely that the PL will go from

£5bn+ for each three year cycle to £0.

 

The PL losing its financial dominance of Europe isn’t likely to occur any time soon.  What makes events in KSA interesting is that it could have the effect of strengthening Asian football.  At the moment, the PL doubles its TV revenues from international broadcasts.  If folks in Asia start paying for domestic leagues instead of PL, that could really help support stronger domestic and Asian competitions.  Though of course the KSA model is unsustainable - KSA clubs would never have the income to support the crazy wages paid.  They would always need propping up - and that can’t be indefinite. 

[SUPERTOON]

 

[The Prophet]

Saudi clubs in for Chiesa.

[Jaqen]

Probably harsh after winning the Europa conference but think West Ham should have binned Moyes and hired someone else to rebuild with all the Rice money. 

[The Prophet]

6 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

 

 

I see a player in there, but Christ that's steep.

[Deuce]

2 hours ago, KaKa said:

Premier league has had a good run. Had to end sometime though and this summer is the beginning of it.

I’m not convinced that the Saudi league paying well above market value for a bunch of players past their prime is indicative of a major shift in the global football power structure. Your midtable PL club can still blow most European clubs out of the water when it comes to transfer fees and wages on offer.

[Froggy]

Amrabat looking very likely for us now. Seeing £25m plus add ons as the fee. 

 

Fred definitely leaving. 

[The Prophet]

Mad bastards.

[KaKa]

43 minutes ago, Deuce said:

I’m not convinced that the Saudi league paying well above market value for a bunch of players past their prime is indicative of a major shift in the global football power structure. Your midtable PL club can still blow most European clubs out of the water when it comes to transfer fees and wages on offer.

 

Eventually more and more of the better players are going to question why they should settle for earning less than said washed up players.

 

Also, the likes of Neves, Mitrovic and Milinkovic-Savic aren't washed up and they have all opted for Saudi. It is just going to escalate.

[KaKa]

1 hour ago, TheBrownBottle said:

The problem is that even if the PL lost ALL of its international TV revenues, it would still have a higher income than any other European league.  The domestic TV revenues alone are double that of La Liga or the Bundesliga.

 

And it is unlikely that the PL will go from

£5bn+ for each three year cycle to £0.

 

The PL losing its financial dominance of Europe isn’t likely to occur any time soon.  What makes events in KSA interesting is that it could have the effect of strengthening Asian football.  At the moment, the PL doubles its TV revenues from international broadcasts.  If folks in Asia start paying for domestic leagues instead of PL, that could really help support stronger domestic and Asian competitions.  Though of course the KSA model is unsustainable - KSA clubs would never have the income to support the crazy wages paid.  They would always need propping up - and that can’t be indefinite. 

 

I don't get the impression what the Saudis are up to is unsustainable, as they are not operating under the same restrictions in Europe, and so are not bound by any rules on spending. 

[TheBrownBottle]

9 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

I don't get the impression what the Saudis are up to is unsustainable, as they are not operating under the same restrictions in Europe, and so are not bound by any rules on spending. 

Unsustainable in that the revenue of Al Ahly will never match those outgoings.  

[KaKa]

7 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Unsustainable in that the revenue of Al Ahly will never match those outgoings.  

 

Yeah, so apparently the plan is to have various businesses invest in these clubs and fund their signings etc with no restrictions. At the moment it is the PIF fund that is funding the clubs and the moves they are making. It is not ever going to be down to purely the revenue individual clubs make.

[TheBrownBottle]

5 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

Yeah, so apparently the plan is to have various businesses invest in these clubs and fund their signings etc with no restrictions. At the moment it is the PIF fund that is funding the clubs and the moves they are making. It is not ever going to be down to purely the revenue individual clubs make.

Makes sense - particularly if genuinely independent businesses start investing in them.  I do think it is better for a sport with the pretentions of being the world's game to not have so many resources concentrated in Europe (and South America to an extent) - it would be the best thing for the sport generally if serious investment in Asian (and African) clubs led to a general growth in attendances, interest, commercials etc.

 

There is though the feeling that we've seen this before, too - the US, China etc have in the past (and present) thrown money at the game and signed big names, yet the sport never grew in the way they hoped.

 

 

Edited July 24, 2023 by TheBrownBottle

[brummie]

1 hour ago, The Prophet said:

 

I see a player in there, but Christ that's steep.

 

If we tried to spend 40m on Connor Gallagher, I would be distraught.

 

That's the price we're paying for Diaby, who at least has one identifiable thing he does on the pitch.

[WilliamPS]

15 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Makes sense - particularly if genuinely independent businesses start investing in them.  I do think it is better for a sport with the pretentions of being the world's game to not have so many resources concentrated in Europe (and South America to an extent) - it would be the best thing for the sport generally if serious investment in Asian (and African) clubs led to a general growth in attendances, interest, commercials etc.

 

There is though the feeling that we've seen this before, too - the US, China etc have in the past (and present) thrown money at the game and signed big names, yet the sport never grew in the way they hoped.

 

 

 

? 

 

sport isn’t about how much money to be made, the idea it’s about attendances and commercials is awful

 

Football is a European, South American and latterly African sport, if more people around the world start to enjoy playing it great, but the idea it’s all about maximising commercial interest is ?

[brummie]

46 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

I don't get the impression what the Saudis are up to is unsustainable, as they are not operating under the same restrictions in Europe, and so are not bound by any rules on spending. 

 

But if they ever get into a position to really directly compete - in terms of play in the same competitions - with European teams, they will have to play along with some measure of FFP, which makes paying Mbappé 300 billion dollars a day look somewhat questionable.

 

This is all a bit Kerry Packer.

[KaKa]

25 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Makes sense - particularly if genuinely independent businesses start investing in them.  I do think it is better for a sport with the pretentions of being the world's game to not have so many resources concentrated in Europe (and South America to an extent) - it would be the best thing for the sport generally if serious investment in Asian (and African) clubs led to a general growth in attendances, interest, commercials etc.

 

There is though the feeling that we've seen this before, too - the US, China etc have in the past (and present) thrown money at the game and signed big names, yet the sport never grew in the way they hoped.

 

 

 

 

The US has always had restrictions on the number of high salary players each club can carry, and they have a salary cap setup over there similar to their other sports I believe, and so they were never really going to be a threat.

 

China looked like they might be a threat but they never really had the kind of money we are talking about with Saudi, or the same level of determination. Saudi have already shown with golf, boxing and UFC that they are looking to make the region a global hub for sport.

[madras]

14 minutes ago, brummie said:

 

But if they ever get into a position to really directly compete - in terms of play in the same competitions - with European teams, they will have to play along with some measure of FFP, which makes paying Mbappé 300 billion dollars a day look somewhat questionable.

 

This is all a bit Kerry Packer.

Would they play in the same competitions or create competitions for both European and Saudi teams to play in with prize money so big the Europeans prioritise it ? Would Saudi and other invitees be regulated by FFP type things ?

[KaKa]

17 minutes ago, brummie said:

 

But if they ever get into a position to really directly compete - in terms of play in the same competitions - with European teams, they will have to play along with some measure of FFP, which makes paying Mbappé 300 billion dollars a day look somewhat questionable.

 

This is all a bit Kerry Packer.

 

Don't think they will ever attempt to join the Euro competitions as it would kill their advantage of spending as much as they want on players and wages.

 

Think it's more likely they end up becoming the actual super league eventually,  with most of the better players going up against each other while being paid ridiculous sums of money over there.

[dave s]

goodbye Zaha and good riddance you miserable twat. 

[JUICE690]

Are you Zaha's mum?

[dave s]

13 minutes ago, JUICE690 said:

Are you Zaha's mum?

 

Maybe if she’s called Dave 

[tgarve]

Don’t think it’s a wild move from zaha 

 

chance to win a trophy

 

adulation

 

getting slower and in a mid table side in the pl