Sean Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Don't you's remember how many years it took him to sack Pardew? A few weeks bad form is nothing compared to what he put up with off McClaren and Pardew. Not that I think it would happen but his reasons for dismissing Rafa would be completely different from any previous sacking tbh. He'd probably quite like Rafa to be gone if Ashley was sticking around. Their relationship is not, nor would it ever be, sustainable. The only reason Rafa is still here is because of the takeover talks. On both sides. Rafa staying because of what we could be, MA keeping him because he's a hugely valuable asset to any potential buyer. If MA changes his mind, Rafa will be down the road. Just a question of which one blinks first..... I see what you're saying, but the only reason that eventuality would be the case is out of pure spite. There's no benefit to his business position by letting go NUFC's biggest and most important asset. I'd personally say the club would be worth 10s of millions of pounds less and be far less attractive if the manager wasn't there. I know you can't put it past Ashley to act out of pure spite, but if I had to guess, I'd say the chances of him sacking Rafa this season are extremely slim. I think you're underestimating how spiteful he can be, and also how much of his actions at this club are driven by spite. What benefit to his business was hiring Joe Kinnear?! Sacking Hughton when he did to replace him with a muppet fired from League 1? Leaving Carver in charge? None, the only aim was to make things miserable for us in my opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDonis Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Rafa is always in a much stronger position when he makes these points when the team is doing well rather than when they aren't. Otherwise it looks like he's trying to distract from a poor run of results, which he might well be doing. But he's probably right. I'm not sure what the longest run of defeats is for one of his sides but he must be near it. I don't remember any bad runs when he was with us, or elsewhere. But he's hardly dealing with the same calibre of players. This is a genuine test for him now. He's overcome a couple in charge of you. Can he do it again? I love him to bits but I'm not sure a moan about Ashley right at this juncture is entirely in his best interests, even if it suits the club and takeover, because it will draw fire. Not that he's ever given a fuck about that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Rafa is always in a much stronger position when he makes these points when the team is doing well rather than when they aren't. Otherwise it looks like he's trying to distract from a poor run of results, which he might well be doing. But he's probably right. I'm not sure what the longest run of defeats is for one of his sides but he must be near it. I don't remember any bad runs when he was with us, or elsewhere. But he's hardly dealing with the same calibre of players. This is a genuine test for him now. He's overcome a couple in charge of you. Can he do it again? I love him to bits but I'm not sure a moan about Ashley right at this juncture is entirely in his best interests, even if it suits the club and takeover, because it will draw fire. Not that he's ever given a fuck about that A large part of it is directed to the supporters, especially the ones calling out the team and abusing them on social media, and also to fans booing the team after the defeat to Watford. He repeatedly mentions the need to stick together and support the team. I just get this feeling that something else is up, theres none of the smiling/joviality that was present recently. Maybe it's just me being pessimistic because of this club but he seems really pissed off and I fear Ashleys fucking up the takeover. Like you say he knows it'll draw fire, so IMO he either knows it's happening, or knows its hanging by a thread, and his demeanour tells me its not the first one. Like I say I hope I'm completely wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Sean, he is not smiling because we've lost 4 matches in a row mate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mighty__mag Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Seems the message over and over was try and not complain and back what we have in players that are here. Its difficult to watch some players ie Joselu and Manquillo though and just keep saying to yourself, Ah its ok it is what it is ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 If he keeps picking Joselu it's only right that people ask questions of him. Fair enough the likes of Mitrovic and Perez divide opinion but the universal verdict on Joselu is that he's absolutely hopeless. I don't know anyone who either rates him or thinks he should be in the starting XI. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Sean, he is not smiling because we've lost 4 matches in a row mate. Hopefully it is just that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mighty__mag Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 If he keeps picking Joselu it's only right that people ask questions of him. Fair enough the likes of Mitrovic and Perez divide opinion but the universal verdict on Joselu is that he's absolutely hopeless. I don't know anyone who either rates him or thinks he should be in the starting XI. Ahem, Manquillo! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Good changes. Would liked to have seen Mitro in but can't have it all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 There's no benefit to his business position by letting go NUFC's biggest and most important asset. Ashley is a petty man with a thin skin. I believe he'd rather 'win' an argument with someone like Rafa, rather than see past it and do whats best for him financially. Rafa's words yesterday will have upset him. So will have his words post QPR last season and his patter in the summer. And he's still here. As if he'd get sacked ffs. I was thinking more of Ashley doing something to fuck Rafa over with regards to the takeover/January window. I agree that he'll not sack Rafa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Tony Cottee just confirmed that he doesnt like Rafa "I just dont get it" he says to Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Tony Cottee just confirmed that he doesnt like Rafa "I just dont get it" he says to Jeff I don't get how Cottee has a job. He's a PFM dildo brother. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Tony Cottee just confirmed that he doesnt like Rafa "I just dont get it" he says to Jeff Both him and Nolan had no facts, just a clear desire to put Rafa down there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Tony Cottee just confirmed that he doesnt like Rafa "I just dont get it" he says to Jeff Both him and Nolan had no facts, just a clear desire to put Rafa down there. nolan was weirdly clueless about us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Tony Cottee just confirmed that he doesnt like Rafa "I just dont get it" he says to Jeff :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superior Acuña Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Just seen someone on fb 'Rafa's lost the plot'. Really worries me when fans turn on him. He's got no reason at all to stay if fans start giving him stick. (He's fuming) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czrJXBh7C70 Rafa right now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Delete Joselu. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Fuck it. In Rafa I trust. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Absolutely fuck all he can do with this calibre of squad apart from set us up right and hope we don't shoot ourselves in the foot. Which we are doing regularly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Rather defeatest quotes today, I felt. If you’ve got shit players, big them up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Gary Megson....go home Rafa, you're drunk. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Fuck off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Stop being so fucking stubborn, accept you've got it wrong and make early changes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 #BelieveInRafa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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