Guest NobbyOhNobby Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 Just seen Crumpy screaming abuse at the El Coto windows wearing a yellow jacket. Poor bloke is in tears crying about how he didn’t vote for this and Souey Souness is a real man who loves the Queen. ?????????? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemtizz Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 Rafa es Dios. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 Mes que un Manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 It’s clear that Pep doesn’t have a plan B and I think that’s because he’s never needed to have one and as long as he manages top teams with top players, his way will work more often than not, but only for so long if the dynamics of tactics, formations, strategy, styles and systems evolve and change at the rapid pace they seemingly do today, especially in the Premier League. Mourinho found this out the hard way after his early success which he’s struggled to replicate and then improve further on that would keep him ahead of the competition or even side by side with, regardless of how big the club, quality of players or spending power. What makes Rafa so special as a manager especially here at Newcastle is he has a plan B or even a plan C which enables him to better the Peps from time to time despite an inferior team, win a league with a Valencia ahead of a Barcelona or Madrid or a European Cup with Liverpool against a star studded Milan. And that’s because he’s never had the luxury of being in a position where his team and players are so far ahead of the rest they will beat the majority of teams even on an off day regardless, so he has to have a few extra tricks up his sleeve to be able to compete against bigger clubs, with better players and bigger resources. The result of this is nights like tonight or Istanbul. I don’t for one minute believe Pep with this NUFC team would be able to beat this Man City team with Pep as manager and even with Rafa as manager of them. Not in the manner we won. I don’t think he nor the likes of Mourinho would be able to do as good a job as Rafa has done at Newcastle with the same resources and while I don’t think Rafa would win a league title with this Man City team regularly, he’d find a way eventually. He’s far better suited to clubs that aren’t mega clubs, with unlimited funds and star studded players in every position and although Man City’s loss proves nothing about them going forward because 9 times out of 10 they will beat us and pretty much everyone else as well and be regular winners of trophies, it won’t always be under Pep though unless he evolves his own tactics, style, system and methods in the way Fergie constantly did and Rafa has had to. That’s why Wenger didn’t win more. IMO I don’t think Pep is capable because he’s not a great tactician, he will spend 3 years or so at one big club to another with great players and huge resources and win a shit load of trophies, until he meets his match or his methods no longer work where not even great players and lots of money will make up the difference as Mourinho is finding out. Klopp has a chance because he’s more Rafa than Pep in terms of schooling and having had to come up with different plans and methods to best a Bayern Munich and now a Man City which thanks to their former manager, they are in a great position to do so. Liverpool are more dynamic tactically, more stylistically interchangeable and more adaptable to a number of systems than Man City are and that’s down to the manager more than his players and he’s more likely to sustain that to keep evolving. Man City didn’t play well tonight, but they didn’t change how they played or rather how they tried to play because I don’t think they can. We slowed them down and didn’t let them play of course and in the end they ran out of ideas and looked very ordinary and dare I say it average for all their possession. Watching Rafa’s tactical masterclass, he schooled Pep who had no plan B whatsoever. Aye plan A will beat us 9 times out of 10 but that’s a given considering the huge disparity. Now and again though there is always someone smart enough to find a way to beat the system and defy the odds. Under Ashley, Rafa is almost having to perfect himself in that respect just to survive because he’s constantly having to defy the odds and beat the system and anyone critical of his team selections or tactics just double check that scoreline will you. It’s no one off fluke, he’s been beating the odds his whole career because he’s the fucking master which thankfully for us he’s better suited for than a gig at Real Madrid or Man City. He’s the best tactician in the world and one of the best coaches too. Imagine what he could do with proper backing... Deserves the sack for that Watford match in the FA Cup though. Love Rafa me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 Would another manager in our history have got this set of players to beat the set of players Man City had out tonight? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 Would another manager in our history have got this set of players to beat the set of players Man City had out tonight? Pardew fluked it in the League Cup when our reserves beat Man City who were pretty much at full strength. Drew Spurs away in the next round and thought he was a tacticle genius and tried to do the same, failed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonArmy1892 Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 Happy but still don't give a s*** about Liverpool. Howay Leicester. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 This is why he gets the team to dig in and stay in matches. Apart from the Liverpool away game we’ve not been out of the game in any fixture against the top 6 clubs. Tonight’s an example that sometimes over the 90 Minutes things can fall your way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 best part about that is it's basically the same approach he's been absolutely slated for the last couple of years vs. top 6 teams, difference is tonight our players were able to impose themselves a bit more than usual at the right times and citeh weren't up to their usual standard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
summerof69 Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 Not sure if we are good enough to capitalize this favor you guys did, but Rafa's stature among LFC fans just took one more leap. https://twitter.com/the_kop_king_/status/1090372314984779776 Happy for you, mate. You just need to take care of your end now...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
summerof69 Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 Got to go down as the best tactical performance from a manager in the clubs history? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 Got to go down as the best tactical performance from a manager in the clubs history? Steady on man I’m sure Carver would have something to say about that like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
summerof69 Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 carver would had us beat 9-0 and blamed Longstaff for not following instructions Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 My goodness can you even begin to imagine how much a Carver or Pardew would have broken Longstaff by now? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 Would another manager in our history have got this set of players to beat the set of players Man City had out tonight? Anyone can beat a team once like. I think what’s more impressive is that we’ve played them four times the last two seasons and they’ve found it tough each time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 My goodness can you even begin to imagine how much a Carver or Pardew would have broken Longstaff by now? Would have been broken like a mackem trainee. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benwell Lad Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 If Rafa played chess he'd be world champion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 Would another manager in our history have got this set of players to beat the set of players Man City had out tonight? Anyone can beat a team once like. I think what’s more impressive is that we’ve played them four times the last two seasons and they’ve found it tough each time Generally speaking we give the better teams a tougher ride under Rafa, our 4-0 defeat to Liverpool this season and our 4-1 defeat to Man Utd last season being the outliers. For all the talk of this being unexpected, when you look at how compact and organised we can be against such teams it shouldn’t have been unexpected, in all honesty this season we were due a good result against one of the better teams, it’s just a shock that it came against arguably the best team in such circumstances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 Would another manager in our history have got this set of players to beat the set of players Man City had out tonight? Anyone can beat a team once like. I think what’s more impressive is that we’ve played them four times the last two seasons and they’ve found it tough each time We played well and caught Man City on an off day. Another day we get beat. Didn't think it was much different to how we've played recently. Think the early goal helped us as it put city into 1st gear for the match. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 I don't think it was surprising to do well against them at all, but it was very surprising to actually win. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 Would another manager in our history have got this set of players to beat the set of players Man City had out tonight? Anyone can beat a team once like. I think what’s more impressive is that we’ve played them four times the last two seasons and they’ve found it tough each time We played well and caught Man City on an off day. Another day we get beat. Didn't think it was much different to how we've played recently. Think the early goal helped us as it put city into 1st gear for the match. I think we are actually better suited playing teams like them than most of the others in terms of how we set up and our tactics, especially at home. We simply lack the creativity in midfield and real pace out wide to go at any team and although we could vary our tactics so we have more possession and get forward more against the lesser teams, it’s not going to be any more effective in terms of the end result really, not until we have the right players. I think Rafa is correct to set us up in this way whether it’s at home to Man City or Cardiff given the players he has to work with. You would hope with more quality players though, setting up like we do will only be reserved for when we face a team like Man City where even with better players, playing any other way we would still get torn apart. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 Sadly, this will make Ashley sit back and think "no need to buy new players then" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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