Steve Brute

[Kanj]

Can't for the life of me fathom how or why the potential new owners would have sold their business plan to one another with the idea that they'd eventually be pushing for Europe with a manager who's not got the track record to do so. For that reason alone, I don't see him being tasked to stay on. He will get a nice farewell send off (pay off).

[Guest Butcher]

June 30. Rafa leaves and joins some Chinese club a week later (not for the money ofc )

 

Rondon and Perez leaves - just the 23 goals between them in the league last season.

 

July 17. Bruce appointed.

 

August 11. First PL game vs Arsenal, less than a month after he got appointed and had a very short pre-season to prepare.

 

Bruce came in when the club were in turmoil. We were among the favourites to go down.

 

To be safe with 8 to go and to still be in the Cup is a very good achievement regardless of the f***ing stats or how badly we've played.

 

You can stick your unsustainable up your arse. Leicester won the league by playing unsustainable football.

 

 

yes a once in a lifetime feat that will never be repeated.

 

And what happened next season?

 

also, Leicester that season:

 

7.  Leicester conceded just 34 goals in 36 matches with Arsenal being the only team to score more than two goals in a single match against the now champion club.

 

18.  Goalkeeper Kasper Schmeichel kept 15 clean sheets and 7 of the shutouts came in the last 10 games.

 

19.  Leicester gave Schmeichel a lot of protection. Over 36 matches, Leicester blocked 159 shots – only West Brom and Crystal Palace stopped more.

 

20.  The centre-back partnership of Robert Huth and Wes Morgan combined to block 73 shots.

 

21.  The bulky duo was also busy making clearances. Only three players bested Huth’s 263 clearances and Morgan was only four places lower in the ranking with 211 successful clearances.

 

Leicester’s defensive discipline showed in the number of defensive errors – only 10 all season and just one led to a goal. For comparison, 13 of the goals allowed by West Ham and Aston Villa came from defensive miscues.

 

As a team, Leicester averaged 23 tackles per game and 21.8 interceptions – both Premier League highs.

 

Of the 3,240 minutes played over 36 matches, Leicester only trailed for 370 minutes.

 

I'd suggest those stats are pretty damn good and not relevant at all to ours.

 

They're pretty fucking irrelevant if you win the league, mind

[Kanj]

June 30. Rafa leaves and joins some Chinese club a week later (not for the money ofc )

 

Rondon and Perez leaves - just the 23 goals between them in the league last season.

 

July 17. Bruce appointed.

 

August 11. First PL game vs Arsenal, less than a month after he got appointed and had a very short pre-season to prepare.

 

Bruce came in when the club were in turmoil. We were among the favourites to go down.

 

To be safe with 8 to go and to still be in the Cup is a very good achievement regardless of the f***ing stats or how badly we've played.

 

You can stick your unsustainable up your arse. Leicester won the league by playing unsustainable football.

 

 

yes a once in a lifetime feat that will never be repeated.

 

And what happened next season?

 

also, Leicester that season:

 

7.  Leicester conceded just 34 goals in 36 matches with Arsenal being the only team to score more than two goals in a single match against the now champion club.

 

18.  Goalkeeper Kasper Schmeichel kept 15 clean sheets and 7 of the shutouts came in the last 10 games.

 

19.  Leicester gave Schmeichel a lot of protection. Over 36 matches, Leicester blocked 159 shots – only West Brom and Crystal Palace stopped more.

 

20.  The centre-back partnership of Robert Huth and Wes Morgan combined to block 73 shots.

 

21.  The bulky duo was also busy making clearances. Only three players bested Huth’s 263 clearances and Morgan was only four places lower in the ranking with 211 successful clearances.

 

Leicester’s defensive discipline showed in the number of defensive errors – only 10 all season and just one led to a goal. For comparison, 13 of the goals allowed by West Ham and Aston Villa came from defensive miscues.

 

As a team, Leicester averaged 23 tackles per game and 21.8 interceptions – both Premier League highs.

 

Of the 3,240 minutes played over 36 matches, Leicester only trailed for 370 minutes.

 

I'd suggest those stats are pretty damn good and not relevant at all to ours.

 

 

 

 

Leicester played efficient and ruthless football that was backed by their stubborn def + gk and counter attack / set pieces that punished once or twice a game. A simple formula that is hard as fuck to replicate.

[Guest Butcher]

My bad.

 

From what I can recall Leicester were very lucky in loads of games that season. They got a shitload of dodgy decisions going their way.

 

A quick look: They're expected points were 68.94. They ended up on 81. Unsustainable.

 

 

[Guest dabe]

My bad.

 

From what I can recall Leicester were very lucky in loads of games that season. They got a shitload of dodgy decisions going their way.

 

A quick look: They're expected points were 68.94. They ended up on 81. Unsustainable.

 

They didn't win the title the season after. It's almost as if the unsustainability caught up to them...just like it would with Bruce's Newcastle given enough time?

 

Remember the season after Pardew got the team to 5th?

[loki679]

My bad.

 

From what I can recall Leicester were very lucky in loads of games that season. They got a shitload of dodgy decisions going their way.

 

A quick look: They're expected points were 68.94. They ended up on 81. Unsustainable.

 

They didn't win the title the season after. It's almost as if the unsustainability caught up to them...just like it would with Bruce's Newcastle given enough time?

 

Remember the season after Pardew got the team to 5th?

 

It's such a fucking stupid argument

 

Here's the difference, if they can't sustain their magic run they end up finishing 6th -8th.  If we can't sustain our magic run we end up playing championship football next season.

[Guest Butcher]

Thank f*** you don’t get points for stats in football.

[Guest dabe]

Thank f*** you don’t get points for stats in football.

 

Puerile comment.

 

Understanding patterns/trends in statistics is helpful for making predictions and determinations on future events. In all likelihood, if Newcastle keep Bruce, results will get worse as our expected performances catch up to us.

 

Hopefully, he's binned off before this can take effect and we can forget his bacon based nonsense.

[Guest]

I hate him but I’ll give him credit for yesterday like.

[wormy]

It feels to me like it's not just a stats-related debate as to why some fans don't want to give him credit. I know for me when I look it it objectively, it's also based on emotions; and I for one still feel more than vindicated in it.

 

We were coming out of a second half of last season that showed what we may be able to start doing if Rafa had finally gotten the backing he deserved. That hope was pulled from under us, to be replaced by a mediocre local with one of the worst managerial records since the PL began, that seems to have had an active dislike for the club for at least twenty years, now coming and telling us some bollocks about boyhood dreams because taking the job finally suited him. Talking shit about our former world-class manager (who mostly finally united our fanbase for the first time in years) whenever he failed, all the while his media buddies were telling fans they needed to get over said former manager. Crying like a little bitch about not getting a fair shake when those same fans had the audacity to question these points-defying performances.

 

If he'd have taken over after, say, Carver, he wouldn't be getting anywhere near the (still not that that much) vitriol from fans. But he knew what he was walking in to here, was still happy to do so, yet cried foul whenever it suited him.

 

It bewilders me how a debate always kicks off in here because some people are incredulous at the fact some fans don't want to give him credit for this season. How is it such a shock to see fans get defensive? As I posted earlier, these feelings are probably even more heightened among some when we experienced similar with Pardew, whose eight year contract hasn't even fucking ended yet.

 

Everyone seems to be on the same page in wanting him to be replaced long-term, which is why I'm even more confused these arguments rear their head so often. He's a shit manager, and seems a bit of bellwipe, whether he's got pals in the media that want to argue otherwise. Unsurprisingly, some of us couldn't give a shit about making sure the poor fat whopper gets whatever credit others want to give him for this season.

 

Poor little Stevie Bruce getting the love he's decided he so desperately craves from NUFC is very much near the bottom of my list of things I give a fuck about as an NUFC fan.

[Guest Butcher]

My bad.

 

From what I can recall Leicester were very lucky in loads of games that season. They got a shitload of dodgy decisions going their way.

 

A quick look: They're expected points were 68.94. They ended up on 81. Unsustainable.

 

Right, but your argument is weird. Its unsustainable and they f***ed it the season after, but even so the majority of their stats were really good that season.

 

What are you getting at?

 

also

 

You need a bit of luck when winning titles, and Leicester had it in 15/16, ranking as only the fourth-best team in the Premier League (1.90 xGF, 1.35 xGA per game) according to expected goals process.

 

I mean fourth is still pretty f***ing good.

 

The Foxes were second best in eight league games according to expected goals, but all eight came against teams in the 'big six', and their three defeats came against Arsenal (twice) and Liverpool. They went unbeaten against the rest which went a long way to them winning the title.

 

also not bad

 

No idea 

[jackyboy]

Leicester also had Vardy who was a bit of an upgrade from Joselu

[Mike]

Neil Custis on the Sunday Supplement  - “Bruce is a strong contender for manager of the year”  [emoji38] [emoji38]

Did all the other managers die?

[Interpolic]

In the "manager of the year where head is composed entirely of meat" category perhaps, otherwise no.

[Minhosa]

It feels to me like it's not just a stats-related debate as to why some fans don't want to give him credit. I know for me when I look it it objectively, it's also based on emotions; and I for one still feel more than vindicated in it.

 

We were coming out of a second half of last season that showed what we may be able to start doing if Rafa had finally gotten the backing he deserved. That hope was pulled from under us, to be replaced by a mediocre local with one of the worst managerial records since the PL began, that seems to have had an active dislike for the club for at least twenty years, now coming and telling us some bollocks about boyhood dreams because taking the job finally suited him. Talking shit about our former world-class manager (who mostly finally united our fanbase for the first time in years) whenever he failed, all the while his media buddies were telling fans they needed to get over said former manager. Crying like a little bitch about not getting a fair shake when those same fans had the audacity to question these points-defying performances.

 

If he'd have taken over after, say, Carver, he wouldn't be getting anywhere near the (still not that that much) vitriol from fans. But he knew what he was walking in to here, was still happy to do so, yet cried foul whenever it suited him.

 

It bewilders me how a debate always kicks off in here because some people are incredulous at the fact some fans don't want to give him credit for this season. How is it such a shock to see fans get defensive? As I posted earlier, these feelings are probably even more heightened among some when we experienced similar with Pardew, whose eight year contract hasn't even fucking ended yet.

 

Everyone seems to be on the same page in wanting him to be replaced long-term, which is why I'm even more confused these arguments rear their head so often. He's a shit manager, and seems a bit of bellwipe, whether he's got pals in the media that want to argue otherwise. Unsurprisingly, some of us couldn't give a shit about making sure the poor fat whopper gets whatever credit others want to give him for this season.

 

Poor little Stevie Bruce getting the love he's decided he so desperately craves from NUFC is very much near the bottom of my list of things I give a fuck about as an NUFC fan.

 

Bang on.

[Minhosa]

Neil Custis on the Sunday Supplement  - “Bruce is a strong contender for manager of the year”  [emoji38] [emoji38]

Did all the other managers die?

 

:lol:

[joeyt]

Wormy's post nails it

[Rocker]

Manager of the year? Get fucked.

 

Unless it's 'ugliest manager of the year', I'm not having it.

[Dokko]

6 pages in a day on how shit Bruce is. Thought he’d been sacked. 

[Yorkie]

It feels to me like it's not just a stats-related debate as to why some fans don't want to give him credit. I know for me when I look it it objectively, it's also based on emotions; and I for one still feel more than vindicated in it.

 

We were coming out of a second half of last season that showed what we may be able to start doing if Rafa had finally gotten the backing he deserved. That hope was pulled from under us, to be replaced by a mediocre local with one of the worst managerial records since the PL began, that seems to have had an active dislike for the club for at least twenty years, now coming and telling us some bollocks about boyhood dreams because taking the job finally suited him. Talking shit about our former world-class manager (who mostly finally united our fanbase for the first time in years) whenever he failed, all the while his media buddies were telling fans they needed to get over said former manager. Crying like a little bitch about not getting a fair shake when those same fans had the audacity to question these points-defying performances.

 

If he'd have taken over after, say, Carver, he wouldn't be getting anywhere near the (still not that that much) vitriol from fans. But he knew what he was walking in to here, was still happy to do so, yet cried foul whenever it suited him.

 

It bewilders me how a debate always kicks off in here because some people are incredulous at the fact some fans don't want to give him credit for this season. How is it such a shock to see fans get defensive? As I posted earlier, these feelings are probably even more heightened among some when we experienced similar with Pardew, whose eight year contract hasn't even fucking ended yet.

 

Everyone seems to be on the same page in wanting him to be replaced long-term, which is why I'm even more confused these arguments rear their head so often. He's a shit manager, and seems a bit of bellwipe, whether he's got pals in the media that want to argue otherwise. Unsurprisingly, some of us couldn't give a shit about making sure the poor fat whopper gets whatever credit others want to give him for this season.

 

Poor little Stevie Bruce getting the love he's decided he so desperately craves from NUFC is very much near the bottom of my list of things I give a fuck about as an NUFC fan.

 

Well put.

[nemtizz]

  Spot on.

[TRon]

It feels to me like it's not just a stats-related debate as to why some fans don't want to give him credit. I know for me when I look it it objectively, it's also based on emotions; and I for one still feel more than vindicated in it.

 

We were coming out of a second half of last season that showed what we may be able to start doing if Rafa had finally gotten the backing he deserved. That hope was pulled from under us, to be replaced by a mediocre local with one of the worst managerial records since the PL began, that seems to have had an active dislike for the club for at least twenty years, now coming and telling us some bollocks about boyhood dreams because taking the job finally suited him. Talking shit about our former world-class manager (who mostly finally united our fanbase for the first time in years) whenever he failed, all the while his media buddies were telling fans they needed to get over said former manager. Crying like a little bitch about not getting a fair shake when those same fans had the audacity to question these points-defying performances.

 

If he'd have taken over after, say, Carver, he wouldn't be getting anywhere near the (still not that that much) vitriol from fans. But he knew what he was walking in to here, was still happy to do so, yet cried foul whenever it suited him.

 

It bewilders me how a debate always kicks off in here because some people are incredulous at the fact some fans don't want to give him credit for this season. How is it such a shock to see fans get defensive? As I posted earlier, these feelings are probably even more heightened among some when we experienced similar with Pardew, whose eight year contract hasn't even fucking ended yet.

 

Everyone seems to be on the same page in wanting him to be replaced long-term, which is why I'm even more confused these arguments rear their head so often. He's a shit manager, and seems a bit of bellwipe, whether he's got pals in the media that want to argue otherwise. Unsurprisingly, some of us couldn't give a shit about making sure the poor fat whopper gets whatever credit others want to give him for this season.

 

Poor little Stevie Bruce getting the love he's decided he so desperately craves from NUFC is very much near the bottom of my list of things I give a fuck about as an NUFC fan.

 

Bang on. Still can't understand why people agree he's not good enough, but still want to defend him to the hilt. I mean if you don't think he's good enough, why would you give a shit?

 

 

[Guest chopey]

It's hard not to give the fucking oaf some credit this season.  A lot of it is down to luck but he's got a spirit in the team (considering how poor they are) that I probably haven't seen since Hughton.

 

TBF  I think we have some good players

[Numbers]

He fitted perfectly into Mike Ashleys business model, get a cheap bloke in (by default a yes man because he's way above his level) and to try to survive in the PL.

 

I agree the team has a good spirit but believe that is carried over from Rafa's time here, that will erode over time under him.

 

He will be binned off quickly enough under new owners, imagine being an ambitious club under new ownership (when it happens) with Steve Bruce as your manager....no thanks.

[Theregulars]

It feels to me like it's not just a stats-related debate as to why some fans don't want to give him credit. I know for me when I look it it objectively, it's also based on emotions; and I for one still feel more than vindicated in it.

 

We were coming out of a second half of last season that showed what we may be able to start doing if Rafa had finally gotten the backing he deserved. That hope was pulled from under us, to be replaced by a mediocre local with one of the worst managerial records since the PL began, that seems to have had an active dislike for the club for at least twenty years, now coming and telling us some bollocks about boyhood dreams because taking the job finally suited him. Talking shit about our former world-class manager (who mostly finally united our fanbase for the first time in years) whenever he failed, all the while his media buddies were telling fans they needed to get over said former manager. Crying like a little bitch about not getting a fair shake when those same fans had the audacity to question these points-defying performances.

 

If he'd have taken over after, say, Carver, he wouldn't be getting anywhere near the (still not that that much) vitriol from fans. But he knew what he was walking in to here, was still happy to do so, yet cried foul whenever it suited him.

 

It bewilders me how a debate always kicks off in here because some people are incredulous at the fact some fans don't want to give him credit for this season. How is it such a shock to see fans get defensive? As I posted earlier, these feelings are probably even more heightened among some when we experienced similar with Pardew, whose eight year contract hasn't even fucking ended yet.

 

Everyone seems to be on the same page in wanting him to be replaced long-term, which is why I'm even more confused these arguments rear their head so often. He's a shit manager, and seems a bit of bellwipe, whether he's got pals in the media that want to argue otherwise. Unsurprisingly, some of us couldn't give a shit about making sure the poor fat whopper gets whatever credit others want to give him for this season.

 

Poor little Stevie Bruce getting the love he's decided he so desperately craves from NUFC is very much near the bottom of my list of things I give a fuck about as an NUFC fan.

 

Well put.

 

That’s perfectly analysed - well done.