Sean Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Isn't it significant that not a single player under Ferguson has become a successful manager? Roy Keene? Bully Beckam? - no Scholes? no Giggs? Hardly Bruce? Don't make me laugh! Or am I missing somebody? Good or even great players do not make good or great managers.... Keegan? I stand corrected on this. I think he's very much the exception that proves the rule though... Zidane, Guardiola and Conte are others that quickly come to mind. Conte wasn't a great player. He was good, not much more. You could argue that Zidane and Guardiola aren't great managers. That's enough internet for today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Is Zidane a great manager or just a competent one with enough gravitas and strength of character to lead the most famous team in the world? How much does he actually interfere? Genuine questions btw. Barely follow Spanish football these days. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Guardiola himself said his success was done to the likes of Messi, Xavi and Iniesta. What has he done without them? You can also fuck off about Zidane as he had the BBC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Cheesy Beans Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Didn’t know Zidane was well supported by Eastenders. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh74 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Didn’t know Zidane was well supported by Eastenders. Or a dark coloured man sausage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalove Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Guardiola himself said his success was done to the likes of Messi, Xavi and Iniesta. What has he done without them? You can also f*** off about Zidane as he had the BBC. Won league titles with record point tallies and completely changed how the game is played. And three champions leagues with any team is impressive Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Guardiola himself said his success was done to the likes of Messi, Xavi and Iniesta. What has he done without them? You can also f*** off about Zidane as he had the BBC. Won league titles with record point tallies and completely changed how the game is played. And three champions leagues with any team is impressive Yeah, won league titles with Messi, Inesita, Xavi, etc! He didn't complete change the game, his philosophy is largely influenced by Cruyff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalove Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 They all had their best seasons under Pep. Turned them in to the greatest team of all time. He literally couldn’t have done anymore with that team. It’s not as easy as you make out Alex Ferguson had just about all the resources he wanted and didn’t build a team as good as that. Mourinho went in to Chelsea with an open cheque book similar to Pep at city, couldn’t get near the points tallies Pep has amassed on a regular basis. Peps philosophy is of course influenced by Cruyff, Bielsa too. But none of them had the same influence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 They all had their best seasons under Pep. Turned them in to the greatest team of all time. He literally couldn’t have done anymore with that team. It’s not as easy as you make out Alex Ferguson had just about all the resources he wanted and didn’t build a team as good as that. Mourinho went in to Chelsea with an open cheque book similar to Pep at city, couldn’t get near the points tallies Pep has amassed on a regular basis. Peps philosophy is of course influenced by Cruyff, Bielsa too. But none of them had the same influence. It was pep that moved Messi to being more central, also made Iniesta into a integral part of the side. They were pretty awful in the season before he joined, finished 4th. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickMack Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 How on earth are we discussing Alex Fergusons and Peps flaws on the Steve f*cking Bruce thread? Hated the fella but Ferguson knew how to create longevity, he kept recreating teams that won. Apart from his first 5 they dominated this country for about 20 years, and he built it himself, to me he’s probably the greatest manager that ever lived. I think Pep is a great manager, he’s always took over when there was money or a very strong team, he has done it in 3 countries now, but he’s got to do it for 15 more years before he can be compared to Ferguson. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Jinx Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Can’t really argue about Ferguson, as much as I still dislike the bastard. He was once asked in an interview what the secret to his success was and he quickly answered “delegation” He hired good coaches to do the hard work, the difference between the success those coaches had at Man Utd and the lack of success elsewhere is down to a total lack of respect by the players. At Man Utd Ferguson’s shadow lurked over the whole set up, players respected and feared him, like boys trying to impress a parent. This respect extended to his coaching setup. Without the protection of Fergie those same people folded elsewhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St1pe Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 https://twitter.com/moneymikeashley/status/1319205088783704066?s=21 Wow Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Fucking hell. Does that actually stack up? That's utterly rancid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marki Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Has he , you wouldnt know it on the pitch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Inflation changes the reality of that stat (I mean, what would '96 Shearer be worth today?) but I'm a fan of anyone pointing out that Bruce has been far from hard done by, and if we continue to stink up the bottom half of the table, we're underachieving given the levels of investment. Despite folks in the media prattling on about what a great job he clearly hasn't done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 If that is true it really puts the efforts on the pitch into perspective, the most costly NUFC team in history and we can't string 2 passes together, form any kind of resemblance of a formation or indeed assert any tactical authority on the pitch. How anyone can defend this fraud is beyond me, I don't for one second believe this nice guy routine, he's a suck up to those he needs to keep onside, a real definition of a snake. A nice guy would admit he was out of his depth and take the plunge, not lie incessantly and lay blame everywhere but his own door. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Inflation changes the reality of that stat (I mean, what would '96 Shearer be worth today?) but I'm a fan of anyone pointing out that Bruce has been far from hard done by, and if we continue to stink up the bottom half of the table, we're underachieving given the levels of investment. Despite folks in the media prattling on about what a great job he clearly hasn't done. Just by standard inflation: £29,053,893.23 But with football inflation, probably about £90M Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Inflation changes the reality of that stat (I mean, what would '96 Shearer be worth today?) but I'm a fan of anyone pointing out that Bruce has been far from hard done by, and if we continue to stink up the bottom half of the table, we're underachieving given the levels of investment. Despite folks in the media prattling on about what a great job he clearly hasn't done. Just by standard inflation: £29,053,893.23 But with football inflation, probably about £90M You can easily double that and the rest! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Inflation changes the reality of that stat (I mean, what would '96 Shearer be worth today?) but I'm a fan of anyone pointing out that Bruce has been far from hard done by, and if we continue to stink up the bottom half of the table, we're underachieving given the levels of investment. Despite folks in the media prattling on about what a great job he clearly hasn't done. It's also obviously skewed by how tight Ashley has been with the majority of managers, having owned the club during some of the most insane increases to transfer fees. But as you say, it's a clear counter to the bullshit 'he's making do with what he has' argument. He's now ahead of McClaren and am I wrong in recalling that it was widely accepted he got a decent chunk to spend? Or am I just thinking within the NUFC fan bubble? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samptime29 Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Shearer would be around £125M nowadays I reckon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Nailed-it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colos Short and Curlies Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Shearer would be around £125M nowadays I reckon. When we signed Shearer he was easily in the top 3 strikers in the world. You can easily equate him to the Mbappe fee, maybe not quite Neymar due to his image rights but certainly north of £150m Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Cheesy Beans Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Shearer would be around £125M nowadays I reckon. When we signed Shearer he was easily in the top 3 strikers in the world. You can easily equate him to the Mbappe fee, maybe not quite Neymar due to his image rights but certainly north of £150m + the usual inflation due to being English. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Shearer would be around £125M nowadays I reckon. When we signed Shearer he was easily in the top 3 strikers in the world. You can easily equate him to the Mbappe fee, maybe not quite Neymar due to his image rights but certainly north of £150m Easily! He was the most sought-after CF in the world after finising top scorer at Euro 96 as well as scoring 31, 34, 31 Premier League goals in the previous three seasons! Over £200m for me! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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