Amir_9 Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 I also thought he played alright today. Honestly, I am starting to feel for this guy. He's no way a 40m player but I have no doubt he would be much better if the team actually played to his strengths and had an actual well trained attacking plan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 Honestly a prime Shearer would only be on 5-6 goals in this side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 The only players who stand a chance of threatening the goal are the ones like ASM, who can take the ball from 40 yards and make something happen themselves. Also Joelinton was totally unsuitable to how we were planning to play, but we knew that already. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 I also thought he played alright today. Honestly, I am starting to feel for this guy. He's no way a 40m player but I have no doubt he would be much better if the team actually played to his strengths and had an actual well trained attacking plan. And his strengths are? Seriously, his hold up play is shocking, he can't head a ball, he does not know how to run the channels and his movement in the box is non existent. Never in a million years is this bloke a striker! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amir_9 Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 I also thought he played alright today. Honestly, I am starting to feel for this guy. He's no way a 40m player but I have no doubt he would be much better if the team actually played to his strengths and had an actual well trained attacking plan. And his strengths are? Seriously, his hold up play is shocking, he can't head a ball, he does not know how to run the channels and his movement in the box is non existent. Never in a million years is this bloke a striker! I don't think hes a striker either. However, he shows flashes of decent play on the wings now and again. Having said that, I do feel for him because there is usually fuck all for him to pass to most of the time he has the ball with him in the final third and/or when its hoofed up to him. He's shit, but I feel he could look somewhat decent if we had something of a well drilled attacking plan. Still, not a 40m player and most certainly not a striker/player you rely on for regular goals at this level - which just makes the transfer all the more baffling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 I also thought he played alright today. Honestly, I am starting to feel for this guy. He's no way a 40m player but I have no doubt he would be much better if the team actually played to his strengths and had an actual well trained attacking plan. And his strengths are? Seriously, his hold up play is shocking, he can't head a ball, he does not know how to run the channels and his movement in the box is non existent. Never in a million years is this bloke a striker! I don't think hes a striker either. However, he shows flashes of decent play on the wings now and again. Having said that, I do feel for him because there is usually fuck all for him to pass to most of the time he has the ball with him. He's shit, but I feel he could look somewhat decent if we had something of a well drilled attacking plan. Still, not a 40m player and most certainly not a striker/player you rely on for regular goals at this level - which just makes the transfer all the more baffling. Well at least we both agree he is shit. I certainly haven't seen these flashes of decent play however. He doesn't even have any pace. I haven't got a clue why he is here, what purpose he is or even how he ended up being a professional and getting paid for it. I do agree we play with no game plan etc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 At this point I just hope the guy can stay healthy and get a move in the summer to get his career back on track. Nobody deserves this mess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 Actually quite funny how shit he has been. Steve being so keen to prove he wasn’t a patsy and putting his big red stamp all over it is the cherry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 That Steve Nickson is definitely a PFM under the guise of a scout. He blatantly just saw Joelinton was big and figured he'd be 'ideal' for lumping the ball at. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. Yimentov Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 I'm starting to like him. He's slowly assuming that cult appeal that all semi-likeable blokes do after being comedically s*** for sustained period of time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 Honestly a prime Shearer would only be on 5-6 goals in this side. A retired Shearer would still get 5-6 goals more in this side than Joelinton. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 Christ! A dead Shearer wouldn't be far behind. Hail Mary Hail Mary Hail Mary. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astroblack Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 Think if Ayoze was still here, he’d be having an easier time. Don’t think ASM is a good partner for him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackyboy Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 At one point ASM broke away from the half way line, usual type of run right to the bye line and crossed the ball. Joelinton hadn't even got as far as the penalty area Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 At one point ASM broke away from the half way line, usual type of run right to the bye line and crossed the ball. Joelinton hadn't even got as far as the penalty area Here’s the problem with the system though. If Joelinton wins a ball on halfway, there’s not a chance he’s making the ground up. This is where you need the wing-backs further up and one of the midfielders taking a gamble once we’ve won the first header. It probably helped Rondon last season that Perez wasn’t a speed merchant because it gave him the chance to turn and catch up with play. ASM and Almiron are heads down, full pelt, there’s little chance Joelinton even if he does bust a gut is going to get there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 At one point ASM broke away from the half way line, usual type of run right to the bye line and crossed the ball. Joelinton hadn't even got as far as the penalty area Here’s the problem with the system though. If Joelinton wins a ball on halfway, there’s not a chance he’s making the ground up. This is where you need the wing-backs further up and one of the midfielders taking a gamble once we’ve won the first header. It probably helped Rondon last season that Perez wasn’t a speed merchant because it gave him the chance to turn and catch up with play. ASM and Almiron are heads down, full pelt, there’s little chance Joelinton even if he does bust a gut is going to get there. Perfectly put It's happened numerous times this season. And guess what? The manager has still not addressed it, or sought to resolve it in anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St1pe Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 Find it a little odd Bruce said he wasn’t played as a no9 most of his career post game then criticised him for not getting into the box and only getting one goal this season. I guess he’s right in certain regards. I guess we can’t do this at present but maybe trying playing him in the position he’s used to in future and see what happens? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozy Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 I struggle to see how Joelinton was any good on the wing for Hoffenheim as none of his attributes look suited to playing out wide. He isn't suited to this system either up front or out wide as he's not fast enough for the latter, and not good enough at winning the 40-60 balls for the former. All that said, even in a system perfectly suited to him I'm still not sure he'd ever get you 10 goals a season. So you're going to need consistent goal scoring wide players or to give him a strike partner. The more time goes on it just looks a worse and worse piece of transfer business, as highlighted by Rafa 12 months ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 I struggle to see how Joelinton was any good on the wing for Hoffenheim as none of his attributes look suited to playing out wide. He isn't suited to this system either up front or out wide as he's not fast enough for the latter, and not good enough at winning the 40-60 balls for the former. All that said, even in a system perfectly suited to him I'm still not sure he'd ever get you 10 goals a season. So you're going to need consistent goal scoring wide players or to give him a strike partner. The more time goes on it just looks a worse and worse piece of transfer business, as highlighted by Rafa 12 months ago. I think he was on the wing in the same way that Perez is on the wing for Leicester. As you say I don't see how he could any other way as he doesn't have a trick and isn't overly quick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 Hoffenheim also played a 3-4-2-1 last season, and so when he played 'wide' it was more narrow. Similar to how Almiron and Perez played for us under Rafa last season. Otherwise in a more traditional setup, it was more the way Perez is currently used for Leicester like Disco said. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 Yeah, a wide forward rather than a winger. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozy Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 "SS" from the Pro Evo days then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 Who have Hoffenheim replaced him with out of interest? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 Who have Hoffenheim replaced him with out of interest? Some of these guys - https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/tsg-1899-hoffenheim/transfers/verein/533 They changed manager in the summer though so there's a fair chance they've changed system/style (other managers seem to be capable of performing such sourcery). Can't say I watch much German fussball though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBG Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 One less touch in our box than theirs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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