huss9 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Stinks of Mitro in his season under McClown. As it was always going to be. Mitrovic is better. Joelinton would have been a good partner for Rondon. He has a good touch, moves well. Leading the line is not his game right now. mitro had scored plenty of goals before we signed him, even if they were in lesser leagues. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyman Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 I like him, but he's not worth £40M Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 The whole deal is so strange and dodgy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmoset Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 He's got a good touch and some nice things about his game but his finishing, specifically his heading looks a bit weak at this stage. Very early days of course mind and there's a fair few 30-40 million players around the league now plenty of who aren't exactly tearing it up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 The whole deal is so strange and dodgy. Aye I'd love to know the ins and outs, nothing about it feels genuine. They were more bothered about getting him than they were about keeping Rafa. Suspect the deal was done at the beginning of the year when we were first linked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Joelinton having the same agent as ASM seemed a tad dodgy too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Wouldn’t be at all surprised if that head of recruitment bloke we’ve got is up to his neck in something dodgy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalove Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Would be nice if some of our local journos could do some digging. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 I wonder what percentage of elite level transfers have been concluded based on a management team having analysed the attributes of a particular player and determined that they would suit an identified role in a team. There's certainly something disingenuous (as in, their signings weren't strictly 'football decisions') about the likes of Joelinton and Saint-Maximin, especially considering they had the same agent. But there's no way we're alone in securing transfers that might not have everything to do with creating a functioning team. It makes you wonder how or why the likes of Cabaye, Debuchy, Sissoko, Santon, Gouffran, Haidara, Cisse, Mbemba, Yanga-Mbiwa, Rivieire, Mitrovic, Wijnaldum, Thauvin, Cabella, Janmaat ended up here. Of course, some of them fitted into a position where we were lacking, for sure, but none of them ever felt like they had a great deal to do with the management team - even if Pardew or McClaren had a modicum of a say-so. Even going as far back to Jonas - his transfer was scrutinised shortly after he arrived, iirc. I'm not saying there's anything untoward or illegal - they're just not decisions grounded in football strategy. You just feel a bit suspicious about every incoming transfer from the continent; it feels like the likes of Carr, Nickson and those incoming players are functioning within another arm of the business, separate to the one which operates on football pitches. The only times when it feels like players have been chosen specifically by the football people is on the two occasions we've dropped to the Championship, when the intervention from the 'policy' side is less invasive towards the 'football' side. Funny how whenever the latter is allowed to operate close to its fullest extent, we win football leagues... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 The whole deal is so strange and dodgy. Aye I'd love to know the ins and outs, nothing about it feels genuine. They were more bothered about getting him than they were about keeping Rafa. Suspect the deal was done at the beginning of the year when we were first linked. At the point of signing, Charnley mentioned that talks had been ongoing for a long while, which Rafa later expressed that he was not aware of. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 There are also the countless transfers where players come here and never end up playing - Xisco, Saivet, Ferreyra, Nacho etc. Dodgy AF. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 There are also the countless transfers where players come here and never end up playing - Xisco, Saivet, Ferreyra, Nacho etc. Dodgy AF. Doumbia and Ireland, too. Curious thing about that crop is that there's no potential for profit, so who knows what the motivation is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Good post Yorkie although I reckon McClaren would have had some input into it, more than Pardew anyway. It's a fishy one like. I suspect the 'fee' is highly inflated by add-ons etc that won't be realised unless he becomes the new Fenomeno. Guess there's no real way of ever knowing. There are also the countless transfers where players come here and never end up playing - Xisco, Saivet, Ferreyra, Nacho etc. Dodgy AF. https://www.tifofootball.com/video/henri-saivet-the-newcastle-footballer-who-doesnt-play-football/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 I reckon we've paid £20m with another £20m if he scores 10 goals. It would explain the tactics. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBG Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Mind we'd be buggered if our incoming managers didn't also happen to be scouting the same players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Stelling yesterday was saying ‘Rafa had Rondon’. He genuinely wouldn’t do anything the way we play in the same way he got nothing under Pulis & Pardew. Already know that Soccer Saturday will defend Bruce and they’ll scapegoat this lad and Almiron. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 £40m should be buying the finished article, not potential. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Stelling yesterday was saying ‘Rafa had Rondon’. He genuinely wouldn’t do anything the way we play in the same way he got nothing under Pulis & Pardew. Already know that Soccer Saturday will defend Bruce and they’ll scapegoat this lad and Almiron. *a striker on loan from a club in the Championship who wasn't exactly turning down offers left, right and centre to join us. You'd think we'd had Christian Vieri in his pomp upfront last season the way the Brucey Boys are going on. Also, Bruce has happily stated on the record that he'd prefer Joelinton to Rondon anyway and that he signing him was his decision. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 I've heard from countless sources that we've only paid £20m for him. Not that it means anything, but I suspect if we get £25m for him in summer Ashley wins. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Stelling yesterday was saying ‘Rafa had Rondon’. He genuinely wouldn’t do anything the way we play in the same way he got nothing under Pulis & Pardew. Already know that Soccer Saturday will defend Bruce and they’ll scapegoat this lad and Almiron. *a striker on loan from a club in the Championship who wasn't exactly turning down offers left, right and centre to join us. You'd think we'd had Christian Vieri in his pomp upfront last season the way the Brucey Boys are going on. Also, Bruce has happily stated on the record that he'd prefer Joelinton to Rondon anyway and that he signing him was his decision. When they talk about us on Soccer Saturday this week, you already know what their agenda will be. - ‘Benitez had Rondon & Perez’ - ‘You’ve got to have sympathy for Bruce following Rafa Benitez’ - ‘Who else is going to go there if Bruce goes?’ - ‘Bruce had no say in who he brought in’ - ‘Players like Joelinton and Almiron aren’t producing’ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 £40m should be buying the finished article, not potential. Maybe if they are approaching 30, otherwise I can't think of many proven goalscorers going for £40m. Richarlison maybe, but then he was picked up for not very much at Watford, then one big season and his value rocketed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest godzilla Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Stelling yesterday was saying ‘Rafa had Rondon’. He genuinely wouldn’t do anything the way we play in the same way he got nothing under Pulis & Pardew. Already know that Soccer Saturday will defend Bruce and they’ll scapegoat this lad and Almiron. *a striker on loan from a club in the Championship who wasn't exactly turning down offers left, right and centre to join us. You'd think we'd had Christian Vieri in his pomp upfront last season the way the Brucey Boys are going on. Also, Bruce has happily stated on the record that he'd prefer Joelinton to Rondon anyway and that he signing him was his decision. When they talk about us on Soccer Saturday this week, you already know what their agenda will be. - ‘Benitez had Rondon & Perez’ - ‘You’ve got to have sympathy for Bruce following Rafa Benitez’ - ‘Who else is going to go there if Bruce goes?’ - ‘Bruce had no say in who he brought in’ - ‘Players like Joelinton and Almiron aren’t producing’ All true except for the counter argument that Bruce shouldn't have been appointed in the first place or anywhere near a PL club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Rafa got us 10th without Rondon, Pulis and Pardew took WBA down with Rondon. I’ve no doubt we’d be seeing the exact same tactics and performances as we are now whether it be Joelinton or Rondon. Rafa didn’t play Almiron out of position, he’s not going to produce when you play him right wing-back. I’m sure some random young German speaking coach in the Farke/Hasenhuttl mould would have taken us on had Ashley even considered someone like that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonArmy1892 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 More like Joe Linton. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Carroll also had 30 minutes yesterday and we were no better with him on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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