Skeletor Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 3 minutes ago, Wolfcastle said: Its not fair market value what we'd by buying Livramento for, but I bet that's alright. Liverpool have overruled it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCK Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 1 hour ago, LV said: Not sure how the PL can dictate what a foreign club outside of their jurisdiction pays for a player mind. Pretty much. Not part of the Premier League or UEFA. So they'd have to go to FIFA, and my bet is FIFA won't want to get involved as that'd mean actual work. Then there would be a court case and CAS and... aye. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
prefabtoon Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 So its ok for chelsea liverpool and others to get rid of there dross for overmarket values. But Newcastle try and sell on maxi just to comply with FFP And they loss there marbles. Come on lets get the lawyers out and blow these cry babys away. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viana Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 They're just making a fuss every chance they get in the hope that we get slapped on the wrist once. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 Fair enough if we were selling them Fraser or Hendrick for 20m. Just pathetic from the clubs complaining. Not a huge surprise unfortunately. Looks like we took less than market value for ASM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHoob Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 Wouldn't be surprised if some of the clubs that complained enquired about him once they found out we were selling for £30m. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infatuation Junkie Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 Medical will take three weeks apparently. Thats how long it will take to get all his bandages off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 The ironic thing is that the only reason we're selling him to ensure we can comply with the (fucking bullshit) FFP rules in the first place. Ideally I'm sure we'd like to keep him and add to the squad but we're doing it by the book and he's the one that's been sacrificed this summer. As I've said we could be really blatant and shift the dross on for inflated fees but this is a single transfer for a fee that's 'about right'. It's not excessive or disproportionate and no cunt would have batted an eyelid had the money been coming from Milan or Napoli. I understand the scrutiny but there's literally nothing out of the ordinary about the fee for ASM Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack27 Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 2 minutes ago, midds said: The ironic thing is that the only reason we're selling him to ensure we can comply with the (fucking bullshit) FFP rules in the first place. Ideally I'm sure we'd like to keep him and add to the squad but we're doing it by the book and he's the one that's been sacrificed this summer. As I've said we could be really blatant and shift the dross on for inflated fees but this is a single transfer for a fee that's 'about right'. It's not excessive or disproportionate and no cunt would have batted an eyelid had the money been coming from Milan or Napoli. I understand the scrutiny but there's literally nothing out of the ordinary about the fee for ASM No point getting worked up about it. Liverpool's natural speaking voice is whinging. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 We paid around £16.5m in 2019 for him. If we sold at £20.5m we've basically just sold him at cost, inflation-adjusted. Circa £30m doesn't feel like a stretch at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 What exactly in the flying fuck is fair market value if Enzo Fernandes cost 105 million Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ste Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 How do you define fair market value? Length of contract remaining + how the player is performing, how his fitness is? It becomes opinion anyway, I don't think anything could come of it even if we sold him for £80m. The fact that the figure seems to be around the £25m mark shows we are willing to play well within the rules. Weird little courtroom OBJECTION for other clubs to make for the sake of making it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
relámpago blanco Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 6 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said: What exactly in the flying fuck is fair market value if Enzo Fernandes cost 105 million Aye, but Chelsea dont buy at market prices nor do Benfica sell at them. There are probably rules around the prices, you probably have to cite a similar example. If ASM played for Portugal we no doubt could have said 50M but as he is not an international (I was using Neves as an example as I think him and ASM are similar profile caps aside). There will be rules around there having to cite an example and it will involve international caps and age. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 It's a bullshit excuse to force scrutiny onto the unfashionable try hards who are looking to muscle their way on to the top table. The whole fucking thing stinks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 Absolutely nothing to see here regarding the complaints, not a chance we are sanctioned for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 1 minute ago, relámpago blanco said: Aye, but Chelsea dont buy at market prices nor do Benfica sell at them. There are probably rules around the prices, you probably have to cite a similar example. If ASM played for Portugal we no doubt could have said 50M but as he is not an international (I was using Neves as an example as I think him and ASM are similar profile caps aside). There will be rules around there having to cite an example and it will involve international caps and age. International football has never been a good barometer as to how valuable someone is in club football. David Ginola and Laurent Robert are some of the best left wingers the PL has ever seen and they barely played for France, so they'd be worth much less than someone like James McFadden? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 8 minutes ago, relámpago blanco said: Aye, but Chelsea dont buy at market prices nor do Benfica sell at them. There are probably rules around the prices, you probably have to cite a similar example. If ASM played for Portugal we no doubt could have said 50M but as he is not an international (I was using Neves as an example as I think him and ASM are similar profile caps aside). There will be rules around there having to cite an example and it will involve international caps and age. Pepe to Arsenal must be under scrutiny Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 2 minutes ago, Ben said: Pepe to Arsenal must be under scrutiny Grealish at the time. That's notbsaying he's worth that now just that fee skewed others in the market Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 (edited) As if fair market value even exists The game is long past that point thanks to the same people now crying foul that someone else doing less than what they've done for years and which is now apparently beyond the pale because Allan Saint Maximin is being sold for £35m. Unless ASM went for over £60m there would be nothing that couldn't be justified by pointing at a long list of ineffective players who've done nothing and gone for insane amounts of money. I don't like us being owned by SA and I don't like states owning clubs, as well as a whole host of other things that are ruining the game. But other clubs whinging on to the PL about 'fair market value' with a completely straight face can fuck clean off like. Edited July 22, 2023 by Kid Icarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said: International football has never been a good barometer as to how valuable someone is in club football. David Ginola and Laurent Robert are some of the best left wingers the PL has ever seen and they barely played for France, so they'd be worth much less than someone like James McFadden? Yeah and ASM getting caps would've been more likely if he was Portuguese and not French, same as Robert and Ginola. I strongly disagree with the idea that many seem to have that caps should affect a transfer fee or players value. It's actually better for the buying team if national team's coach doesn't fancy a player and he can be rested during international breaks. Just a stupid example but Botman still has no caps while Maguire and Dier are regulars for one of the biggest national teams. Edited July 22, 2023 by Pata Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 The dodgiest dealing for me in recent times was Wolves splurging £40mil on Fabio Silva as he was a Mendes player They're now struggling massively financially Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 2 minutes ago, Pata said: Yeah and ASM getting caps would've been more likely if he was Portuguese and not French, same as Robert and Ginola. I strongly disagree with the idea that many seem to have that caps should affect a transfer fee or players value. It's actually better for the buying team if national team's coach doesn't fancy a player and he can be rested during international breaks. Just a stupid example but Botman still has no caps while Maguire and Dier are regulars for one of the biggest national teams. How do you objectively measure that though, that's my point. You have to remove all elements of guesswork and subjective BS when rulemaking, surely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 11 minutes ago, madras said: Grealish at the time. That's notbsaying he's worth that now just that fee skewed others in the market Rice now, there is no way he is worth anywhere near 100 million Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
relámpago blanco Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 12 minutes ago, Pata said: Yeah and ASM getting caps would've been more likely if he was Portuguese and not French, same as Robert and Ginola. I strongly disagree with the idea that many seem to have that caps should affect a transfer fee or players value. It's actually better for the buying team if national team's coach doesn't fancy a player and he can be rested during international breaks. Just a stupid example but Botman still has no caps while Maguire and Dier are regulars for one of the biggest national teams. I'm not saying it should but I bet it's in the premier leagues criteria and that's why I mentioned it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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