HawK Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 4 hours ago, Wallsendmag said: He'd be mad to even consider leaving us considering what is about to happen here. You wouldn't get an atmosphere anywhere else in Europe to perform in and he's already playing in the best league in the world. No chance he gives that up to go and play in the French League at PSG. He's already talked about how it would be easier to play with Mbappe etc., which is why I suggested PSG. They tick the boxes - money, player interest, home country, Champions League. No way the club would willingly sell, but I don't buy it that he's 100% tied to this club. He's my favourite player, but he carries on playing like this, the top clubs aren't going to ignore him for too much longer. Crikey, imagine that front line of Messi and St Maxi with Neymar, would be like 8 passes (all key passes), and 50+ dribble attempts per game between them lol. I really hope he stays to see this out - but to do that we're going to have to bring in more like Bruno in the summer imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 4 hours ago, KaKa said: Will always frustrate and delight in equal measure, and yesterday was no exception. When we get a result the good plays will be at the forefront of everyone's mind and we'll be happy with him. When the result goes against us the bad plays will be at the forefront of everyone's mind and we'll be annoyed with him. Nonsense I mean it. Perhaps it will be in the mind of fools who don't understand that no flair player in the world produces every single time. They will lose possession at times. That simply comes with the territory. Yesterday Everton had 3, 4 players ganging up on him all over the pitch. As our standard of player improves the opposition cannot keep our other players unprotected to keep Allan at bay, and he will only become more dangerous and effective. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 ASM is superb, he will frustrate but players that try things will do that. When I say frustrate I mean frustrate some people, personally I have no issues with him and his approach Take the match yesterday for example and the following stats ASM, 10 dribbles completed from 13 attempted with 5 chances created Fraser, 0 dribbles completed from 0 attempted with 0 chances created (Btw I'm not having a go at Fraser as he played well and scored) With ASM because of the way he plays and he tries things from an attacking sense he will get things wrong, Messi loses the ball more than most but you have to accept that is inevitable. It's similar to the grief Ben Arfa used to get, meanwhile Obertan/Gouffran would run to the full back and then pass it backwards, they didn't lose the ball and in the eyes of some doylems they were "better" to have in the team Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, mighty__mag said: Ginola was better than the pair of them. Yet nowhere near as good as them in terms of flair, trickery, feet work and dribbling. He would have made a very good Ronaldo-light CF today given he was over 6ft, very direct, two footed and so strong. He lacked the genuine pace and dribbling to be an effective wide player/winger today. Robert likewise who could have played a CF role without being a CF in today’s game. Ginola could never ever have did what ASM did to Everton in that second half, nor Robert. HBA could have, but strength wise on the ball, ASM, you can only stop him in full flight or even at a slower pace, by kicking and fouling him. Unplayable really when he’s in that groove… Edited February 9, 2022 by HTT II Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mighty__mag Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 1 hour ago, HTT II said: Yet nowhere near as good as them in terms of flair, trickery, feet work and dribbling. He would have made a very good Ronaldo-light CF today given he was over 6ft, very direct, two footed and so strong. He lacked the genuine pace and dribbling to be an effective wide player/winger today. Robert likewise who could have played a CF role without being a CF in today’s game. Ginola could never ever have did what ASM did to Everton in that second half, nor Robert. HBA could have, but strength wise on the ball, ASM, you can only stop him in full flight or even at a slower pace, by kicking and fouling him. Unplayable really when he’s in that groove… Still prefer wor David over the pair. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 3 minutes ago, mighty__mag said: Still prefer wor David over the pair. HBA for me! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St1pe Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 …But he doesn’t pass etc etc. Phenomenal player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M1tche Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 Crazy discussion, all 4 mentioned were/are fantasic players. Ben Arfa was stupidly talented though, it's application that stopped him being class at a top club, would have loved to have seen him in the Keegan or Robson sides that Ginola and Robert played in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingxlnc Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 Temperamental French flair left-wingers are synonymous with the club (in the PL era) as much as a revered number 9 knocking them in Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slim Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 3 hours ago, mighty__mag said: Still prefer wor David over the pair. he had the advantage of being surrounded by world class players and also a wonderful man-manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 Zog could play left back. Clearly the best. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
greydos Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 10 hours ago, KaKa said: Simply untouchable. No debate to be had. Scandalous how most teams only had 1 or 2 men on him. Put 4 men on him and give him the respect he deserves man! It’s like sticking Houdini on stage in only a bit of rope and 2 padlocks. It’s still impressive when he escapes but I wanna see him break out of Fort Knox! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 11 hours ago, KaKa said: Simply untouchable. No debate to be had. That should be in a museum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 Genuinely don't understand how anyone can forget the sort of things he was doing on the pitch for Newcastle. Watching those clips over again, no one in the current team can touch the guy. I actually find the argument hilarious. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 18 hours ago, WillingtonMag said: Why didn't PSG keep him then If he was that good? And I didn't bring him up, the constant wankathon over him on here just bemuses me. I can help you out with that. It’s because he was really, really good. Stop ruining the ASM thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumbheed Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 6 hours ago, KaKa said: Genuinely don't understand how anyone can forget the sort of things he was doing on the pitch for Newcastle. Watching those clips over again, no one in the current team can touch the guy. I actually find the argument hilarious. I genuinely don't understand how people forget how little he started and how often he was thrown on the pitch with 10 mins to go. We literally had a Che Guevara mock up of him it got so blatant ffs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oregon_Geordie Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 Loved HBA. If only... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ9 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 Guys, guys, guys…Maradona, Pele, Ronaldo or Messi? Who is the GOAT???? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazzy Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 Lose, lose situation for wingers and wide midfielders. They get far more stick than most for just doing what they are meant to be doing ie. Get past their man and provide assists. But if they don't do those things and just play it safe and pass sideways or backwards they then get labelled as boring or too defensively minded. I do think it just comes with the territory for these kinds of players and ofcourse any player will get more abuse when we aren't winning and the team isn't doing well. One thing is for certain, ASM is arguably the one player we have (Bruno aside) that ANY team in the Prem would take. He is as exciting as any player in the league and provides more entertainment for the supporters than most other players in our team combined. If he isn't still here in 3/4 seasons then I will be very disappointed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BergenMagpie Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 38 minutes ago, Thumbheed said: I genuinely don't understand how people forget how little he started and how often he was thrown on the pitch with 10 mins to go. We literally had a Che Guevara mock up of him it got so blatant ffs. Using Pardews poor decisions to prove some point? Was absolutely criminal that he was on the bench Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 (edited) Pretty sure I made a post on here years ago looking at that period like, it was something like 2-3 months of Pardew saying he wasn't fit, Hatem saying "here mate, I'm fine" and looking our best player during some of the short spells he was allowed. Pretty sure his first (or one of the first) game back was against Man City and he looked sharp as fuck. Edited February 10, 2022 by Hanshithispantz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Mazzy said: Lose, lose situation for wingers and wide midfielders. They get far more stick than most for just doing what they are meant to be doing ie. Get past their man and provide assists. But if they don't do those things and just play it safe and pass sideways or backwards they then get labelled as boring or too defensively minded. I do think it just comes with the territory for these kinds of players and ofcourse any player will get more abuse when we aren't winning and the team isn't doing well. One thing is for certain, ASM is arguably the one player we have (Bruno aside) that ANY team in the Prem would take. He is as exciting as any player in the league and provides more entertainment for the supporters than most other players in our team combined. If he isn't still here in 3/4 seasons then I will be very disappointed. Maybe back in the 70s they could get away with just beating their defender and providing assists. Wingers/wide midfielders now have to do so much more, its about possession, the build, the tracking, the blocking of channels. Just like full backs have to he so much better in possession than just someone who defends. Edited February 10, 2022 by madras Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 It's like comparing a few different but all beautiful women. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bompeter Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 7 hours ago, KaKa said: Genuinely don't understand how anyone can forget the sort of things he was doing on the pitch for Newcastle. Watching those clips over again, no one in the current team can touch the guy. I actually find the argument hilarious. How often did he put in performances of the calibre of ASM against Everton would you say? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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