FloydianMag Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 Just now, CalmintheChaos said: Not really no Do you really think FFP will be an issue to this so called ESL? Clubs will be guaranteed £300 million a year and FFP and what you can spend is based on revenue. They’ll dump FFP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosenrot Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, CalmintheChaos said: Not really no I just think if them 6 teams want to leave them good riddance to them and we will be a lot better off without them and their oil money and plastic fans. Aye, but they can't stay in the Premier League. They can't have their cake and eat it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 Must be a sickener if you're a teenage kid following a team on the up, a Leicester, Leeds or a Norwich, all bright eyed and full of hope for what the future might bring and then this shitshow comes down and dismantles the entire sport. Thats why I'm glad to be a 40 year old Newcastle fan, long dead inside already. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candi_Hills Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 8 minutes ago, oldtype said: As others have noted in this thread, this is the first football news that's interested me in ages. Aside from the general shamefulness of the endeavor, the Super League clubs are playing with fire here in terms of viability of the product. It's a very delicate combination of factors - storylines, traditions, atmosphere etc. - that makes sporting events feel meaningful. So it's generally a bad idea to mess with a formula that's working to this extent. Take these "big six" clubs out of their natural habitat, into a strange artificial league, bereft of their traditional rivalries and storylines, fraying their connection with their own fans... I have a feeling it will all feel quite fake. Ultimately, we may end up with a Super League that feels fake and a Premier League that feels diluted. Everyone loses. It would absolutely feel artificial. The intensity wouldn’t be there. But will the kids in China and India mind? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 49 minutes ago, CalmintheChaos said: Why would Leeds be so against it. If then 6 clubs left Leeds with Bielsa would have a good chance of trophies over the next few years surely How many times? The plan is to remain in the PL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 I wouldn't say no to a league next season without the top 6 and then I think "Bruce" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalmintheChaos Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, Happinesstan said: How many times? The plan is to remain in the PL. That won’t be allowed the PL have made that clear. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydianMag Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 1 minute ago, CalmintheChaos said: That won’t be allowed the PL have made that clear. No they haven’t, the remaining 14 clubs meet with the PL tomorrow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 Bielsa. Fucking nailed it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, toon25 said: Bielsa. Fucking nailed it. What he do Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mighty__mag Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 Probably posted already, but if this happened, it would be amazing. Zero tolerance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaus Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 Just now, mighty__mag said: Probably posted already, but if this happened, it would be amazing. Zero tolerance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 (edited) All good till he turns around after saying Who's with me... "Where's Masters?" Should also highlight the word "should" not will. Edited April 19, 2021 by toontownman Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonArmy1892 Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 Would that include the PL? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 34 minutes ago, Candi_Hills said: It would absolutely feel artificial. The intensity wouldn’t be there. But will the kids in China and India mind? This is precisely the misconception that will have led to the creation of the Super league, and precisely why it might fail. International fans are attracted to European clubs because they have the one thing their local clubs can never have: a history of storylines accumulated over the course of a century. When I still cared about NUFC, I would obsess over the Derby and laugh at RTG threads on here just like everyone else. Asian Liverpool fans go nuts over the Merseyside Derby even though the vast majority have never been to Liverpool (or probably even met a real life Everton fan.) Strip that away and there's nothing to separate Premier League clubs from Saudi or Chinese clubs who have the financial backing to put a famous name on the back of the shirt; it's just that nobody gives a crap about the name on the front. Why devalue the biggest competitive advantage that Man U, Liverpool etc. enjoy over their global competitors by stripping away their natural habitat, weakening the connection with the local community, and dropping them into a totally fake league whose trophy may not feel much more meaningful than the AFC Champions League trophy, for all we know? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosenrot Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 (edited) Boris Johnson has written an article on the Sun's website saying he'll do everything he can to stop the proposals "in its current form". Headline: "BORIS JOHNSON I will do everything I can to give the ludicrous European Super League a straight red" Edited April 19, 2021 by Rosenrot Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalmintheChaos Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 Completely proves and shows why our jackpot winning lottery takeover was stopped last summer too. Some of the “top 6” in serious debt and ones who miss out on CL are fucked so that why they trying to get out to this new super money league. Corruption and greed has destroyed the game and it’s been coming for years tbf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superior Acuña Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, oldtype said: This is precisely the misconception that will have led to the creation of the Super league, and precisely why it might fail. International fans are attracted to European clubs because they have the one thing their local clubs can never have: a history of storylines accumulated over the course of a century. When I still cared about NUFC, I would obsess over the Derby and laugh at RTG threads on here just like everyone else. Asian Liverpool fans go nuts over the Merseyside Derby even though the vast majority have never been to Liverpool (or probably even met a real life Everton fan.) Strip that away and there's nothing to separate Premier League clubs from Saudi or Chinese clubs who have the financial backing to put a famous name on the back of the shirt; it's just that nobody gives a crap about the name on the front. Why devalue the biggest competitive advantage that Man U, Liverpool etc. enjoy over their global competitors by stripping away their natural habitat, weakening the connection with the local community, and dropping them into a totally fake league whose trophy may not feel much more meaningful than the AFC Champions League trophy, for all we know? I've read that the fanbases of the 'Founding Clubs' are a lot more split internationally with a lot of international fans not really getting what the fuss/opposition is about. (I don't have a source for this so could be bollocks but read somewhere about fan polls being split). The international fans that are on here, such as yourself, are in opposition but yous are all on this forum because you've taken a deeper interest in the club, and you share this forum with geordies - I imagine it might be a bit different with most international fans who'll pay to watch it on the telly but don't invest in the way yous have? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 FIFPRO (world players union) spoke out early to say it will "vigorously oppose" any moves to bar players playing international football. Kernts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 Just now, Inferior Acuña said: I've read that the fanbases of the 'Founding Clubs' are a lot more split internationally with a lot of international fans not really getting what the fuss/opposition is about. (I don't have a source for this so could be bollocks but read somewhere about fan polls being split). The international fans that are on here, such as yourself, are in opposition but yous are all on this forum because you've taken a deeper interest in the club, and you share this forum with geordies - I imagine it might be a bit different with most international fans who'll pay to watch it on the telly but don't invest in the way yous have? Won't deny that I used to be a good deal more obsessed than others but even for the relatively "casual" section of international fans the history is a huge draw. People want to be able to talk about legends, and rivalries, and famous games and all of that loses a good deal of meaning when everyone is starting from nothing in a Super League. I think even people who say that they like the idea now will have a change of heart once they see the actual product. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candi_Hills Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 1 minute ago, toontownman said: FIFPRO (world players union) spoke out early to say it will "vigorously oppose" any moves to bar players playing international football. Kernts. The FA could just make sure that the England manager never picks ESL players. They'd have the full support of the country. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
InspectorCoarse Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 8 minutes ago, oldtype said: Why devalue the biggest competitive advantage that Man U, Liverpool etc. enjoy over their global competitors by stripping away their natural habitat, weakening the connection with the local community, and dropping them into a totally fake league whose trophy may not feel much more meaningful than the AFC Champions League trophy, for all we know? Because its not about the clubs its about the owners ... The Glazers have already taken approx £1 billion ( so im told ) out of Man U Plc . Thats all its about £££££££££ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonArmy1892 Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 It's not ESL is it, just SL. So the door could be open to non european teams down the line. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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