Cronky Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 I don't know if this has been posted before. It's an interesting insight into the level of debt which these clubs are trying to sustain. Whatever they might say about trying to save the game, they are really trying to save themselves. https://www.football.london/tottenham-hotspur-fc/news/daniel-levy-tottenham-stadium-debt-19804839 I can't see that the rest of the Premiership have any option but to fight it tooth and nail. Yes, the Premiership will be diminished if the six clubs leave, but it will be diminshed in status anyway, because it won't have access to the top European competition. Creating a closed shop inevitably leaves the remainder looking second-rate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 Just now, Cronky said: I don't know if this has been posted before. It's an interesting insight into the level of debt which these clubs are trying to sustain. Whatever they might say about trying to save the game, they are really trying to save themselves. https://www.football.london/tottenham-hotspur-fc/news/daniel-levy-tottenham-stadium-debt-19804839 I can't see that the rest of the Premiership have any option but to fight it tooth and nail. Yes, the Premiership will be diminished if the six clubs leave, but it will be diminshed in status anyway, because it won't have access to the top European competition. Creating a closed shop inevitably leaves the remainder looking second-rate. Yeah, this is a nuclear war. If the rest of the teams in the league allow this to happen, they've surrendered a huge chunk of their future revenues and thus value. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 10 hours ago, Sima said: This doesn’t take over from the European Cup/Champions League though? The English first division still existed. We won it first year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 (edited) I sincerely hope the powers that be revoke the league status, FA status and UEFA/FIFA status of all 6 clubs and suspend them with immediate effect, and for good. Fuck the lot of them, in the manner they clearly give a fuck about the rest of the game/clubs/fans. I’d love a PL without them, more competition, better games, less histrionics and tired same old same old nonsense every season. Without them other clubs can thrive even more and shine away from their shadow. Obviously NUFC will still continue to fucking bomb under Ashley and co... but I quite fancy the idea of a Leicester being the big shots of a new brave dawn of English football, or a Southampton or a Leeds or hopefully one day a NUFC. Let’s level the playing field and bid good riddance to the 6 legacy clubs.... Edited April 20, 2021 by HTT II Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
morpeth mag Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 9 minutes ago, Beren said: The PL should just say the first three if the six to drop out from the ESL won't be deducted 20 points and watch the backstabbing begin. With a slight variation we could lose just two teams and have the 18 team league that we supposedly were aspiring to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 I think these 6 clubs need to be very careful of what they are proposing, it may end up with the remaining 14 + 6 championship clubs forcing the issue and booting the 6 out of the Premier League. The new version of the Premier League could then set some more sensible rules on transfer caps, salary caps and fan ownership. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza ladra Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 13 minutes ago, mouldy_uk said: Will they care if they gain 5 new plastic worldwide fans for every 1 lost legacy fan? I believe so. England is an extremely wealthy country. Opposition from fans in Germany, France, Netherlands, and the rest of Europe will help. You'd be targeting the advertisers and other promoters of this scam in your country. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 4 minutes ago, HTT II said: I sincerely hope the powers that be revoke the league status, FA status and UEFA/FIFA status of all 6 clubs and suspend them with immediate effect, and for good. Fuck the lot of them, in the manner they clearly give a fuck about the rest of the game/clubs/fans. I’d love a PL without them, more competition, better games, less histrionics and tired same old same old nonsense every season. Without them other clubs can thrive even more and shine away from their shadow. Obviously NUFC will still continue to fucking bomb under Ashley and co... but I quite fancy the idea of a Leicester being the big shots of a new brave dawn of English football, or a Southampton or a Leeds or hopefully one day a NUFC. Let’s level the playing field and bid good riddance the the 6 legacy clubs.... Naa, I hope they let them back in at the bottom of the football pyramid and have the indignity of playing all the smaller clubs on the way up. It would be like the shame bell scene from GoT. They’ll bottle neck as well when only so many teams can go up, meaning the likes of arsenal and spuds will be trapped for further seasons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 It's clear they were counting on fans of their clubs simply going along with it. That's why the hardcore/matchgoing support are referred to as 'legacy fans', they've assumed they will retain that support in its entirety and keep all of that revenue already in place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, Dokko said: Naa, I hope they let them back in at the bottom of the football pyramid and have the indignity of playing all the smaller clubs on the way up. It would be like the shame bell scene from GoT. They’ll bottle neck as well when only so many teams can go up, meaning the likes of arsenal and spuds will be trapped for further seasons. Do this but add an additional promotion place, keeping the tradional places for 'legacy non-league clubs' to ensure they are promoted as they would be. Regardless of position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlufPurdi Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 Even if they 12 clubs back down, they've blown it, they must be punished. I still cannot get over the fact they did this without so much as even hinting to managers. I might be far too Football Manager orientated, but I just can't understand that. It's like they (owners) know they're doing something wrong, but just trying to brave it through, take the flak, hope it settles. That Madrid cunt, jesus fucking christ, as if the owners of Real Madrid give a fuck about the wider game. They never have, never will. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 8 hours ago, Interpolic said: Been pure lurking on this thread for 36 hours now without saying owt, been a canny read and I'm gripped by all of this honestly. There is some twisted satisfaction in seeing it all burn after having the piss ripped out of us as fans of the game for so long. My emptiness towards NUFC has only been growing over recent years so it's nice to finally feel something. The most striking thing for me is the odd comment or inside detail that slips out from any of the vultures responsible for all of this, and how utterly disgusting their attitude towards the world around them is. Such obnoxious views about traditions, communities and history that they don't care about or try to understand. All they want to do is capitalise on it. Football has been on the road to this grotesque mirror image of capitalism gone wild for a long time now but this just takes that sickly feeling you get as a fan to a whole new level. This is much bigger than football - increasingly I'm looking at the world around me exasperated at the inequality, the unfairness and the greed. Good people are being fucked over left, right and centre by billionaire psychopaths and us plebs are at each others throats fighting for the scraps. Money poisons everything and it seems there's no escape from that fact, not even in the sport you used to always be able to rely on for your escapism. If the backlash to this can bring people together then great but I think we've unfortunately all been too nice about this for far too long now and the ship has probably already sailed. Good post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, BlufPurdi said: Even if they 12 clubs back down, they've blown it, they must be punished. I still cannot get over the fact they did this without so much as even hinting to managers. I might be far too Football Manager orientated, but I just can't understand that. It's like they (owners) know they're doing something wrong, but just trying to brave it through, take the flak, hope it settles. That Madrid cunt, jesus fucking christ, as if the owners of Real Madrid give a fuck about the wider game. They never have, never will. Aye, if they (hypothetically) come back to the table and say they've made a mistake they still need punished by both UEFA and their domestic leagues. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 Just now, BlufPurdi said: Even if they 12 clubs back down, they've blown it, they must be punished. I still cannot get over the fact they did this without so much as even hinting to managers. I might be far too Football Manager orientated, but I just can't understand that. It's like they (owners) know they're doing something wrong, but just trying to brave it through, take the flak, hope it settles. That Madrid cunt, jesus fucking christ, as if the owners of Real Madrid give a fuck about the wider game. They never have, never will. Football, and especially its owners have shown its ugly face. We have to hope the fans never forget and certainly not forgive what they’ve tried to do to their clubs. we’ve heard it’s coming for some time but the bubble has burst. It’s up to the leagues now to decide whether this is a good thing or not. It could be a crowning moment with expulsions, bans and government giving control back to then fans. It would be great if these greedy snakes have signed their own execution slip and are about to have their prized assets reduced and even removed from their power. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 I think the key point is the difference in view point. The owners see the clubs as a business and the fans as customers to be milked. the fans see themselves as custodians who’s job it is to protect the traditions and history. it’s yet another battle field between principles and laws. The fans have the high ground but the owners are protected by said laws. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 7 minutes ago, Happinesstan said: Good post. Outstanding post, sums it all up perfectly, sadly! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazarus Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 How do you punish them though? A 25 point deduction might still get man city into europe but then relegate arsenal. Or just put all six just above the relegation spots? Ban them from europe for 3 years? If you punish them financially it just exacerbates the existing problem and pushes the same problem further down the line. Let them go and price ordinary fans out of the game? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza ladra Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 (edited) How does the Premier League, FA, UEFA, FIFA punish the owners without rallying the fans of those clubs to their side? Neville, Carragher, etc. are makinfg the right sounds now, but if the hammer does come down that will change very quickly I expect. Edited April 20, 2021 by gazza ladra Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 2 hours ago, Inferior Acuña said: Or scrap groups. I'd be much more likely to watch say Red Star Belgrade Liverpool if it was a knockout game, and I'd prefer to watch that than a Liverpool Juve group game. Been moving away from that approach for years though cos it's also about having more games. ^I read somewhere Liverpool, ManU and Arsenal were the ring leaders of the English teams. Completely agree. I grew up watching Notts Forest win the European Cup in a series of two-legged ties, and loved it. Never missed a European night from then on. Ipswich, Spurs, Aberdeen, Everton, One of the Dundees, Villa, and of course Liverpool. Every game had something at stake, and was exciting for that reason. Gained a wealth of knowledge on foreign players, making the international competitions deeply engaging. Still remember an argument, in the 90s, with a friend that tried to claim Jan Ceulemans was Dutch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlufPurdi Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 12 minutes ago, Lazarus said: How do you punish them though? A 25 point deduction might still get man city into europe but then relegate arsenal. Or just put all six just above the relegation spots? Ban them from europe for 3 years? If you punish them financially it just exacerbates the existing problem and pushes the same problem further down the line. Let them go and price ordinary fans out of the game? I have no answer to that really, but something can and must be done regardless if this even goes ahead. They need that power stripped away from them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 7 minutes ago, gazza ladra said: How does the Premier League, FA, UEFA, FIFA punish the owners without rallying the fans of those clubs to their side? Neville, Carragher, etc. are makinfg the right sounds now, but if the hammer does come down that will change very quickly I expect. You need to hit them in the pocket. Unfortunately if that means punishing them by relegation, a points deduction or a large fine/lengthy transfer ban so be it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 6 minutes ago, gazza ladra said: How does the Premier League, FA, UEFA, FIFA punish the owners without rallying the fans of those clubs to their side? Neville, Carragher, etc. are makinfg the right sounds now, but if the hammer does come down that will change very quickly I expect. If they value the competition of the league above all else then the fans will have to accept a punishment. I think a line has been crossed now, they either back down or the rest of the footballing world makes their new league redundant, empty and worthless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonArmy1892 Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 Anyone know what time the meeting is? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 I dread the idea of Charnley representing us in this meeting, the biggest meeting in football in this country for the last 30 / 40 years and we have this moron at the table. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hhtoon Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 The 5 clubs that qualify by achievement each season is a little condescending - "we now deem your puny club worthy of playing with us". Would love it if those chosen told them to fuck off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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