Flip Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 38 minutes ago, Nobody said: Yes, that's exactly what I was expecting. Or bring back Porto, Bayern and whoever else outside the gready 12 deserves a shot. This lot have already said they don't want to be in the CL, simply chuck them out. Anything that's done that leaves the is lot with any power is proof that they are right. It cannot be allowed to happen. It's not a very pragmatic way to look at it. At the end of the day, the CL will lose all it's appeal and lot more money if they just kick out teams right now when nothing has been finalized. Let's not forget that this is the decision made by a few greedy owners who don't love the sport more than they love their own and other peoples money. For the past 20 years they've absolutely mismanaged their sporting investments and now they want it back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candi_Hills Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 I'm glad to see NUFC opposed it. I honetly thought someone might try to buy mike off before he packs his bags. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 5 minutes ago, Flip said: It's not a very pragmatic way to look at it. At the end of the day, the CL will lose all it's appeal and lot more money if they just kick out teams right now when nothing has been finalized. Let's not forget that this is the decision made by a few greedy owners who don't love the sport more than they love their own and other peoples money. For the past 20 years they've absolutely mismanaged their sporting investments and now they want it back. It would be a first chance for them to show that these players won't be allowed to play in Euros for example. That's what we need to see happen now, players and clubs getting cold feet. Just get one to back down, the whole thing crumbles and the rest are left with less power than they had before all this nonsense. Show any weakness, and the greedy cunts win. It really is all or nothing now IMO. It's a massive opportunity to take power away from them, or to just back down and let them win. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Candi_Hills said: I'm glad to see NUFC opposed it. I honetly thought someone might try to buy mike off before he packs his bags. Exactly. He's in a massive huff with them due to the takeover. Expected him to be a petulant child and go with the opposite to what the Premier league said just through spite. Edited April 20, 2021 by reefatoon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheInfiniteOdyssey Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 14 minutes ago, Candi_Hills said: I'm glad to see NUFC opposed it. I honetly thought someone might try to buy mike off before he packs his bags. Ashley banks the TV money each season, which will be massively reduced if these clubs do end up being expelled from the league and / or the Super League takes greater precedence. So it’s in his interest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Shearergol Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 1 minute ago, TheInfiniteOdyssey said: Ashley banks the TV money each season, which will be massively reduced if these clubs do end up being expelled from the league and / or the Super League takes greater precedence. So it’s in his interest. I mean, I'm not sure that's 100% true is it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Anderson said: Welcome everyone to Highstreet Havoc! Someone paste Ashley and De Marco on Ted debiase and IRS immediately. Edited April 20, 2021 by toontownman Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Awaymag Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 4 minutes ago, hakka said: We have consider what the damage is from binning the top 6 from the PL. The PL and it's payments to clubs is based on current and future years payments of it's broadcaster deals. I don't know the pull of the top 6 has in relative terms to all the deals the PL has with all broadcasters, but if those broadcasters lose a chunk of subscribers, say 20%, that amount will be hundreds of millions of pounds that which the broadcasters can't pay to the PL. If the PL doesn't get the money, then the clubs don't get paid their money. We already know most clubs overspend or are fully dependant on it, wiping out a large chunk of it could start a chain reaction that collapses the whole thing. Appreciate it's a crude description, but I think that's the sort of reasons why it must be done pragmatically and with deep thought. No point chucking out the top 6 if it's enough to destroy the whole thing. Nah, burn it down, burn it all down and we will rebuild.......well not me as Im too lazy but Im sure someone else, a better person than me, will take up the challenge! So burn it All!!!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, hakka said: We have consider what the damage is from binning the top 6 from the PL. The PL and it's payments to clubs is based on current and future years payments of it's broadcaster deals. I don't know the pull of the top 6 has in relative terms to all the deals the PL has with all broadcasters, but if those broadcasters lose a chunk of subscribers, say 20%, that amount will be hundreds of millions of pounds that which the broadcasters can't pay to the PL. If the PL doesn't get the money, then the clubs don't get paid their money. We already know most clubs overspend or are fully dependant on it, wiping out a large chunk of it could start a chain reaction that collapses the whole thing. Appreciate it's a crude description, but I think that's the sort of reasons why it must be done pragmatically and with deep thought. No point chucking out the top 6 if it's enough to destroy the whole thing. The thing is though, they are binning us. Like it or not but unless they are in a title race, then these clubs will just play their reserves in Premier League. It is only a matter of time before the TV deals and other sponsorship deals start getting devalued. It’s not just limited to the League’s own sponsors either, but also clubs own sponsors. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 2 hours ago, Happinesstan said: It's the virtual world, innit. Why bother trying to satisfy a number of fans that is restricted to the size of your multi million pound stadium, when there is a whole world of fans that can be accessed virtually. That's all probably true, but while that may work for the 6 clubs who fancy themselves as elite, that still leaves the rest of English football on the outside, and that's a huge majority. The Big 6 are counting on not getting hoyed out of British football competition, if they do, then eventually they will become something else altogether, and not sure they will have much connection to British football any more. Virtual fans are all well and good, but a big part of the appeal of the Premier league is the (mostly) local fans. It can only work if they still get to play in domestic competition as well, if they get chucked out I think long term they would fear losing their brand value. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superior Acuña Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 23 minutes ago, reefatoon said: Exactly. He's in a massive huff with them due to the takeover. Expected him to be a petulant child and go with the opposite to what the Premier league said just through spite. Yeah but the main teams in the PL that pissed him off over the takeover are probably the 6 breakways. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 11 minutes ago, hakka said: We have consider what the damage is from binning the top 6 from the PL. The PL and it's payments to clubs is based on current and future years payments of it's broadcaster deals. I don't know the pull of the top 6 has in relative terms to all the deals the PL has with all broadcasters, but if those broadcasters lose a chunk of subscribers, say 20%, that amount will be hundreds of millions of pounds that which the broadcasters can't pay to the PL. If the PL doesn't get the money, then the clubs don't get paid their money. We already know most clubs overspend or are fully dependant on it, wiping out a large chunk of it could start a chain reaction that collapses the whole thing. Appreciate it's a crude description, but I think that's the sort of reasons why it must be done pragmatically and with deep thought. No point chucking out the top 6 if it's enough to destroy the whole thing. Obviously this isn't a case of "oh thank fuck now we have a reason to kick them out". Losing those 6 is a big hit that has to be avoided if it can. Just not at the expense of them getting off free and even rewarded while the rest of the clubs sit wiping spit off their faces. The PL statement needed to be more firm with the consequences without closing the door on the clubs return. It is easy to be too harsh and just drive the wedge and push the defiant teenagers away further. Equally I think what we got was too passive and just gives the impression, it's not you its them, it's the league not the clubs. Also it's their rules don't they employ people that know their rules and loop holes enough they can be certain they are broken after nearly 3 days? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 TV Revenue shared equally amongst all clubs? That's communism! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, TRon said: That's all probably true, but while that may work for the 6 clubs who fancy themselves as elite, that still leaves the rest of English football on the outside, and that's a huge majority. The Big 6 are counting on not getting hoyed out of British football competition, if they do, then eventually they will become something else altogether, and not sure they will have much connection to British football any more. Virtual fans are all well and good, but a big part of the appeal of the Premier league is the (mostly) local fans. It can only work if they still get to play in domestic competition as well, if they get chucked out I think long term they would fear losing their brand value. I think, long term, they're planning on ditching the PL. They want to be at both ends of the income stream during the transition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Happinesstan said: I think, long term, they're planning on ditching the PL. They want to be at both ends of the income stream during the transition. If that's their plan then good luck to them. It means that the PL can be restructured without them. There would be a hit to the value of the league for sure, but in the end it would provide exactly what the ESL doesn't. Genuine competition, local buy-in, and the game as we know it. Exactly what made the Big 6 the Big 6 in the first place. We would get other clubs taking their place eventually, but it all hinges on them being thrown out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 Just now, TRon said: If that's their plan then good luck to them. It means that the PL can be restructured without them. There would be a hit to the value of the league for sure, but in the end it would provide exactly what the ESL doesn't. Genuine competition, local buy-in, and the game as we know it. Exactly what made the Big 6 the Big 6 in the first place. We would get other clubs taking their place eventually, but it all hinges on them being thrown out. I think eventually you'll have two different sports altogether. Different rules, different formats. A bit like T20 cricket. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 15 minutes ago, ponsaelius said: Not buying that, personally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Super Duper Branko Strupar said: Not buying that, personally. Quick quick say something to distance us away from this (don't say to much tho) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 (edited) That statement from The Premier League It's a wonder they actually have referees in games with them being so allergic to making decisions. Edited April 20, 2021 by Sima Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 11 minutes ago, hakka said: They aren't though? - they are binning the CL/EL. I'm not at all an advocate of what they are doing or for keeping them in the PL, but surely prudence around the next steps taking in the wider impact of any action is a must before you do it? They are binning the Premier League, maybe not directly, but they will be treating it as a lesser completion when the games in the ESL start. The Premier League will be like the League Cup to them, play the kids, save our stars for the big match in midweek. If we do have an important game in the Premier League then yeah, play a stronger squad, but maybe take them off after 60 minutes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 12 minutes ago, OCK said: TV Revenue shared equally amongst all clubs? That's communism! Give a few few years and Real Madrid and Liverpool will wonder why they're evenly sharing the pie with chumps like Spurs and Arsenal who don't ave the same draw and break off to form a Super Duper League. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 1 minute ago, BlueStar said: Give a few few years and Real Madrid and Liverpool will wonder why they're evenly sharing the pie with chumps like Spurs and Arsenal who don't ave the same draw and break off to form a Super Duper League. I wouldnt allow the naming rights anyway Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 What's the betting that if the SL is pulled, that the Big 6 will face NO sanctions at all from the FA or PL? I'd still boot them all out - down to the Championship or perhaps all the way to the National League. Punishment should be harsh to this kind of pish doesn't happen again. Same should happen in Italy and Spain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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