Guest ElCid Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 Absolutely no chance we're going down IMO, if we do then McClaren will have to prove himself to be one of the worst managers in Premier League history. Think you're in for a big shock - we are in deep shit already and there is no way in hell it's going to change with this manager. Any team who can't keep clean sheets and can't score is in serious trouble and boy are we not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 I'm not diving into this until about half the games are up, everything is a horrible mess atm but we've had a number of tough fixtures and two where a man has been sent off. I expect us to beat Watford then get reamed for two games, at that point we really need to be looking to kick on having played all of the top 4 from last year. Lose to Watford it takes a different complexion though, they need to fucking win a game to get some confidence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Skin of the teeth if we do stay up on the showings so far. very early days I know but we look poor. Think we will do it, but only just....again. Mackems look doomed to same kind of season too, thankfully. Saturday could be massive re confidence and releasing some tension. Lose at home to Watford and we are really looking at a grim season...win and maybe it can get us moving. This - all of it. Anyone thinking that 'its early days, tough fixtures etc etc' is living in dreamland or has never seen a REAL relegation season/team. Once you get into a long losing streak it becomes very hard to get out of it and I have seen 3 relegated Newcastle sides in the past 38 years, not to mention numerous poor seasons where we escaped by a few points. Even in the season after we signed Supermac we struggled until November when we signed Tony Green and he almost single-handedly sparked life into the side. However, we DID have players like Macdonald and Tudor who had the potential to be a really good strike force and Green's addition to m/f got them going....this side has NO goalscorer in Tudor's class, let alone Macdonald's and the defence is much worse than the one in 71-72. We DO need a dominant and constructive m/f player but we are not going to get one and by the time Christmas comes things will be very difficult unless we start looking like creating and taking chances which we are not doing now. After Watford, Chelsea and Man C lie in wait and Chelsea are not going to be poor for long - they have too much talent all round and we could cop a hiding unless they break their losing streak before then. OK, so we have played Man U and Arsenal but neither are really the power they were and we have also played sides we should expect points from so Watford IS a cruncher. The rot has to stop or it will be too late - relegation sides show a distinct lack of confidence and ability to score goals...this is NUFC right now, not last season or the one before - NOW, and after spending a reasonable amount of dosh(probably nowhere near enough), excuses for continuing poor performances are going to wear thin...its one thing to be playing well, creating chances but not taking them, and another thing not to be creating chances at all whilst conceding easily at the back ; there is only one ending for sides who do this regularly in any league.... We are a 7 and will remain that way until things pick up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 I'm not diving into this until about half the games are up, everything is a horrible mess atm but we've had a number of tough fixtures and two where a man has been sent off. I expect us to beat Watford then get reamed for two games, at that point we really need to be looking to kick on having played all of the top 4 from last year. Lose to Watford it takes a different complexion though, they need to f***ing win a game to get some confidence. This is where I'm at too at this point in time. We are only 2-3 points behind where I hoped/expected us to be five games in, which isn't catastrophic by any measure, but things need to pick up and very fast, starting with Watford at the weekend. If we are cut adrift in the bottom 3 after the next three games it might be very difficult to recover from that and every so-called easier game will fast become a must win. We saw at the back end of last season how the players cope with that sort of pressure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 I can see us having to spend £20m-£30m in the Jan window to stay up. We need to win a run of games and I can't see where that's coming from. I actually reckon Ashley would invest this winter window due to the implications of going down and how close he came to getting his fingers burnt last season which was due, in part, to a joke of a January window. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collage Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Absolutely no chance we're going down IMO, if we do then McClaren will have to prove himself to be one of the worst managers in Premier League history. Think you're in for a big shock - we are in deep s*** already and there is no way in hell it's going to change with this manager. Any team who can't keep clean sheets and can't score is in serious trouble and boy are we not. We're 5 games into the season, we've played Man U away, Southampton and Arsenal at home and did pretty well in all those games. Calm the fuck down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 I can see us having to spend £20m-£30m in the Jan window to stay up. We need to win a run of games and I can't see where that's coming from. I actually reckon Ashley would invest this winter window due to the implications of going down and how close he came to getting his fingers burnt last season which was due, in part, to a joke of a January window. Spend on what? We've got a bench full of attacking players McLaren won't play and we can't score goals Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Absolutely no chance we're going down IMO, if we do then McClaren will have to prove himself to be one of the worst managers in Premier League history. Think you're in for a big shock - we are in deep s*** already and there is no way in hell it's going to change with this manager. Any team who can't keep clean sheets and can't score is in serious trouble and boy are we not. We're 5 games into the season, we've played Man U away, Southampton and Arsenal at home and did pretty well in all those games. Calm the f*** down. Exactly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Havent changed my view that we will be around 14th at the end of the season, still cant get my head round the lack of defensive improvements and only swapping Santon/MYM for Mbemba the last 12 months. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 14th-17th. I don't think it will be another last minute escape. But I think we'll be in and around the bottom three for most of the season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 I can see us having to spend £20m-£30m in the Jan window to stay up. We need to win a run of games and I can't see where that's coming from. I actually reckon Ashley would invest this winter window due to the implications of going down and how close he came to getting his fingers burnt last season which was due, in part, to a joke of a January window. Spend on what? We've got a bench full of attacking players McLaren won't play and we can't score goals An imposing holding MF and Austin probably. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 I can see us having to spend £20m-£30m in the Jan window to stay up. We need to win a run of games and I can't see where that's coming from. I actually reckon Ashley would invest this winter window due to the implications of going down and how close he came to getting his fingers burnt last season which was due, in part, to a joke of a January window. Spend on what? We've got a bench full of attacking players McLaren won't play and we can't score goals An imposing holding MF and Austin probably. A competent LB would be nice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 I really hope that in two games when Mitrovic is back McLaren will be under enough Pardew-esque pressure and is forced to abandon his current fearful approach. If we've Thauvin, Aarons, Perez & De Jong getting games with Mitrovic I hope he'll come good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 He actually thinks we where good in those first 4 games though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 He actually thinks we where good in those first 4 games though. I think he thought the application was right in those first 4 games because he's said he was disappointed with us on the ball at Man U, for example, didn't sound like he thought we played well on the whole. Although, I can't agree with the Swansea one, as we were poor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 He actually thinks we where good in those first 4 games though. can only hope that's his view in light of new players and coaching setup on the back of a woeful preseason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 Right now, all I can see is relegation, I don't see 3 other teams in the division worse than us atm. Watford will be a great yardstick, if we can't beat them at home then we are not going to pick up too many points this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 Absolutely no chance we're going down IMO, if we do then McClaren will have to prove himself to be one of the worst managers in Premier League history. Think you're in for a big shock - we are in deep s*** already and there is no way in hell it's going to change with this manager. Any team who can't keep clean sheets and can't score is in serious trouble and boy are we not. We're 5 games into the season, we've played Man U away, Southampton and Arsenal at home and did pretty well in all those games. Calm the f*** down. Exactly This was my thinking basically. I was quite positive before West Ham, so I'm trying to remember that. We were unusually shit in that game but I don't think it means we're finished. Obviously we need to start picking up points ASAP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUFC_Chris Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 West Ham was disappointing. I was expecting more of a fight from us given the way we battled against Arsenal & Man U. We can't just do it against the sides at the top. The first half wasn't too bad, Janmaat really should've scored and 1-1 at HT would've been interesting but I was so disappointed in our lack of application in the second half. Way too early to jump to conclusions still, but, yeah, if we lose to Watford at home and fail to score again I will be getting a little worried tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 Right now, all I can see is relegation, I don't see 3 other teams in the division worse than us atm. Watford will be a great yardstick, if we can't beat them at home then we are not going to pick up too many points this season. Form changes loads over the course of a season. You can't say after 5 games which team is going to go down unless they look totally out of their depth Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 Absolutely no chance we're going down IMO, if we do then McClaren will have to prove himself to be one of the worst managers in Premier League history. Think you're in for a big shock - we are in deep s*** already and there is no way in hell it's going to change with this manager. Any team who can't keep clean sheets and can't score is in serious trouble and boy are we not. We're 5 games into the season, we've played Man U away, Southampton and Arsenal at home and did pretty well in all those games. Calm the f*** down. Exactly This was my thinking basically. I was quite positive before West Ham, so I'm trying to remember that. We were unusually s*** in that game but I don't think it means we're finished. Obviously we need to start picking up points ASAP. And that's the problem, knowing us we'll probably only draw against Watford, that may keep us at the bottom of the league, certainly still in the bottom 3, then we have Man city and Chelsea. Clearly from the early evidence McClaren won't have us set up to go for a win there, Chelsea will have turned their form around we'll be more than happy to assist them I'm sure. So after 8 games we'll still be looking for that first win on 3 points at the foot of the table. Norwich, mackems, Stoke, Bournemouth and Leicester up next, all games we would expect to pick up something from but now we are rooted at the bottom of the league those games become so much harder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 Right now, all I can see is relegation, I don't see 3 other teams in the division worse than us atm. Watford will be a great yardstick, if we can't beat them at home then we are not going to pick up too many points this season. Don't get me wrong, I have seen the table, and believe me, after the last four years I can easily identify a side destined to tickle the gusset of relegation, if not actually plunge into it, but I really don't think you can tell anything after so few games. There are teams who have looked better than expected so far, and there are others that have looked worse, it needs at least nother month to start to get an idea how things might pan out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 At this stage, I'd be equally as surprised if you told me that we'd finish 8th or 18th in May. Not very. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 Right now, all I can see is relegation, I don't see 3 other teams in the division worse than us atm. Watford will be a great yardstick, if we can't beat them at home then we are not going to pick up too many points this season. Don't get me wrong, I have seen the table, and believe me, after the last four years I can easily identify a side destined to tickle the gusset of relegation, if not actually plunge into it, but I really don't think you can tell anything after so few games. There are teams who have looked better than expected so far, and there are others that have looked worse, it needs at least nother month to start to get an idea how things might pan out. Oh I agree it's way too early, but after the first 5 games, the only team I think that's looked as bad as us is Sunderland, and that's based on their first couple of games, even they've improved since then. We haven't. We've defended well against Manure and Arsenal, had a decent first 75 mins against Southampton but from an offensive point of view, we've shown nothing most of the season. We aren't going to win many matches if we can't sort that out. The promoted teams this year seem to be a bit more prepared to survive, none of them look like locks to go down, that puts more pressure on the teams that narrowly escaped last year, namely us, the Mackems and your team. I haven't seen a lot of Villa this year but when I've seen them, there seems to be an energy about their play, there might be problems defensively there, I don't know and looks like luck has been in short supply, but from the outside it appears that there is reason for hope. The Mackems chance for survival for me is reliant on whether M'Villa and Lens can reshape that team and whether Defoe keeps banging them in. Maybe it's my natural toon pessimism, but I just don't see any signs that we can settle down and things start becoming a bit more positive. We are short by at least 3 key positions in my mind, we have a horribly unbalanced line up that is built with the sole purpose not to lose (which with the exception of Manure, we are not very good at). I don't think we have that adaptability within the squad to change when we play the weaker teams in the division to get the points we will need. Watford again for us is the key test, McClaren needs to pick a team to win that game if he continues with his current line up, then we are f***ed !! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 If McClaren manages to take this squad down he's an even worse manager than I believe he is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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