Gallowgate Toon Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 First time time this season that I've thought relegation is more likely than not. For a start we are horribly unbalanced as a side, we've got f*** all down the wings and zero creativity from the middle. Sissoko and Wijnaldum are good players but seriously, what positions are they supposed to be playing? Defensively we are as bad as ever and we lack pace throughout the side. We just can't score goals and we concede an absolute truck load, that means only one thing. There are no redeeming features with this side barring one or two individuals, zero leadership and a manager who looks absolutely clueless. Alan Pardew was awful but even he scraped a few results which turned into a flurry which saved our skins and it was usually around his time of year. Down that norwich game is looking like a long term disaster for us because mcclaren appears to be banking everything on that happening every single match from what i can see He switched them into a midfield 3 for the whole second half and neither got a kick. They were actually disgraceful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 Think we need to fix the spine of the team - CB, CM and CF with a LB also needed. Austin seems a no-brainer (so we'll probably not buy him). Matip looks decent - tall, scores goals and looks strong. I'd spunk most of it on a CM - whatever it takes as it is such a glaring weakness. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 4-4-2 with 2 central midfielders out wide and 2 usless ones in the middle is a massive part of the problem. Would like to see us revert back to 4-3-3 with Anita sitting behind Sissoko and Wijnaldum, Thuavin on the right and Ayoze on the left. Couldn't be any worse than the last few performances. We played that exact formation all second half and looked absolutely minging. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sugoinufc Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 well - if there is anything positive it must be our summer signings. The supposed plan of improving our squad over the next windows must be executed faster. I really want McClaren to succeed but with ok managers (Moyes, Rodgers etc.) available Ashley must have a plan B come January. And hire then them on normal terms... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altamullan Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 well - if there is anything positive it must be our summer signings. The supposed plan of improving our squad over the next windows must be executed faster. I really want McClaren to succeed but with ok managers (Moyes, Rodgers etc.) available Ashley must have a plan B come January. And hire then them on normal terms... Personally, I rate both of these more than I do SMc; if he didn't currently have the job, he'd be my third choice. The fact he has, makes me less sure of the benefits of change. Continue this form through the next four games, though, and I can't see us sticking with him for the Jan window. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 We can't play a true 433 because Ayoze can't play wide and Thauvin is struggling. We can't play 442 because our midfield is shit and we don't have any wingers to supply Mitrovic. Fuck knows what we can do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 Wing backs it is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 We can't play a true 433 because Ayoze can't play wide and Thauvin is struggling. We can't play 442 because our midfield is shit and we don't have any wingers to supply Mitrovic. Fuck knows what we can do. I think he'll come to a point in the season where we're so desperate that he'll at least try a CM of Anita, Tiote and Colback, put Sissoko and Wijnadum on the wings and go with Mitrovic up top and just fucking hoof it whilst getting bodies around Mitro for the flick-on's. Basically a 4-5-1 with a packed midfield to protect a creaking back 4. It's embarrassing how we're forced to compromise the midfield to try to protect the wank defence. Even then we can't do it properly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Part of the issues in defence are as a result of the midfield too. That's the issue. Wijnaldum and Anita look remotely bothered but Sissoko has a dreadful attitude and tbh the level of quality in midfield is shite too. CB'S should be Dummett and Mbemba. Colo' shouldn't be anywhere near the captaincy or the pitch (despite him being a decent player previously he's two years passed it) and we should be looking to sign a decent CB and LB in January. Sell Moussa for a generous £15million and cut out the people with the wrong attitudes. Unfortunately, we need people with bollocks now and not just alleged ability. The club is rotten to the core and there's one man to blame. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 it's just so depressing being a fan of this club right now, they want to fill the stadium again, it's a so simple solution, give the fans something worth spending their money on, worth turning up for. They don't need to do any of that. The vast majority will continue to turn up regardless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 4-4-2 with 2 central midfielders out wide and 2 usless ones in the middle is a massive part of the problem. Would like to see us revert back to 4-3-3 with Anita sitting behind Sissoko and Wijnaldum, Thuavin on the right and Ayoze on the left. Couldn't be any worse than the last few performances. I'd go with that. Worked well at Norwich. Been utter shit ever since and it seems like we won't go away from it, despite how bad it looks. 8/10. I am really worried now. The only thing that gives me hope and stops it being 10/10. Is the fact that Villa look dead and buried and sunderland are awful. They will probably go, even though we'll gift them 6 points again. So we're in a battle, with some very average teams, for the third and final spot. I think we'll probably scrape by and finish 16th or so. What an exciting thing to look forward to every season. I think we'll spend a bit in Jan. Just like in 2013 when it looked like we were going down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 4-4-2 with 2 central midfielders out wide and 2 usless ones in the middle is a massive part of the problem. Would like to see us revert back to 4-3-3 with Anita sitting behind Sissoko and Wijnaldum, Thuavin on the right and Ayoze on the left. Couldn't be any worse than the last few performances. I'd go with that. Worked well at Norwich. Been utter shit ever since and it seems like we won't go away from it, despite how bad it looks. 8/10. I am really worried now. The only thing that gives me hope and stops it being 10/10. Is the fact that Villa look dead and buried and sunderland are awful. They will probably go, even though we'll gift them 6 points again. So we're in a battle, with some very average teams, for the third and final spot. I think we'll probably scrape by and finish 16th or so. What an exciting thing to look forward to every season. I think we'll spend a bit in Jan. Just like in 2013 when it looked like we were going down. Garde has had one game at Villa aye? I wouldn't count them out just yet seeing as he's supposed to be able to put together a defensive unit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 4-4-2 with 2 central midfielders out wide and 2 usless ones in the middle is a massive part of the problem. Would like to see us revert back to 4-3-3 with Anita sitting behind Sissoko and Wijnaldum, Thuavin on the right and Ayoze on the left. Couldn't be any worse than the last few performances. I'd go with that. Worked well at Norwich. Been utter s*** ever since and it seems like we won't go away from it, despite how bad it looks. 8/10. I am really worried now. The only thing that gives me hope and stops it being 10/10. Is the fact that Villa look dead and buried and sunderland are awful. They will probably go, even though we'll gift them 6 points again. So we're in a battle, with some very average teams, for the third and final spot. I think we'll probably scrape by and finish 16th or so. What an exciting thing to look forward to every season. I think we'll spend a bit in Jan. Just like in 2013 when it looked like we were going down. We played 4-3-3 all second half on Saturday and looked even worse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 4-4-2 with 2 central midfielders out wide and 2 usless ones in the middle is a massive part of the problem. Would like to see us revert back to 4-3-3 with Anita sitting behind Sissoko and Wijnaldum, Thuavin on the right and Ayoze on the left. Couldn't be any worse than the last few performances. I'd go with that. Worked well at Norwich. Been utter s*** ever since and it seems like we won't go away from it, despite how bad it looks. 8/10. I am really worried now. The only thing that gives me hope and stops it being 10/10. Is the fact that Villa look dead and buried and sunderland are awful. They will probably go, even though we'll gift them 6 points again. So we're in a battle, with some very average teams, for the third and final spot. I think we'll probably scrape by and finish 16th or so. What an exciting thing to look forward to every season. I think we'll spend a bit in Jan. Just like in 2013 when it looked like we were going down. We played 4-3-3 all second half on Saturday and looked even worse Luckily, I didn't watch the game TBF. Sounds like we're doomed then. Unless we decide to actually invest in some midfielders and a goal scorer. Oh and a centre back and a left back. A new manager would be good too 4-4-2 with 2 central midfielders out wide and 2 usless ones in the middle is a massive part of the problem. Would like to see us revert back to 4-3-3 with Anita sitting behind Sissoko and Wijnaldum, Thuavin on the right and Ayoze on the left. Couldn't be any worse than the last few performances. I'd go with that. Worked well at Norwich. Been utter s*** ever since and it seems like we won't go away from it, despite how bad it looks. 8/10. I am really worried now. The only thing that gives me hope and stops it being 10/10. Is the fact that Villa look dead and buried and sunderland are awful. They will probably go, even though we'll gift them 6 points again. So we're in a battle, with some very average teams, for the third and final spot. I think we'll probably scrape by and finish 16th or so. What an exciting thing to look forward to every season. I think we'll spend a bit in Jan. Just like in 2013 when it looked like we were going down. Garde has had one game at Villa aye? I wouldn't count them out just yet seeing as he's supposed to be able to put together a defensive unit. 2 games. Unlucky against City not to nick a win. They played pretty well. Then raped 4-0 by Everton. I can't see them staying up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 4-4-2 with 2 central midfielders out wide and 2 usless ones in the middle is a massive part of the problem. Would like to see us revert back to 4-3-3 with Anita sitting behind Sissoko and Wijnaldum, Thuavin on the right and Ayoze on the left. Couldn't be any worse than the last few performances. I'd go with that. Worked well at Norwich. Been utter s*** ever since and it seems like we won't go away from it, despite how bad it looks. 8/10. I am really worried now. The only thing that gives me hope and stops it being 10/10. Is the fact that Villa look dead and buried and sunderland are awful. They will probably go, even though we'll gift them 6 points again. So we're in a battle, with some very average teams, for the third and final spot. I think we'll probably scrape by and finish 16th or so. What an exciting thing to look forward to every season. I think we'll spend a bit in Jan. Just like in 2013 when it looked like we were going down. We played 4-3-3 all second half on Saturday and looked even worse Luckily, I didn't watch the game TBF. Sounds like we're doomed then. Unless we decide to actually invest in some midfielders and a goal scorer. Oh and a centre back and a left back. A new manager would be good too It was absolutely God-awful I think we're pretty far away from a 4-3-3 now, nowhere near the right balance of central midfielders and no competent/ready wide players. As crap as it is, the weird hybrid 4-4-2 is probably our best bet until January. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Still think there's worse than us that will save us. Sunderland & Bournemouth 100% gone imo. Would take something massive from Garde to save Villa and Norwich look poor too. Yup. The bottom five are so poor - Bournemouth have been screwed by injuries, Villa are even more bereft of confidence than you, and Sunderland and Norwich are essentially Championship squads with a couple of decent players. That 6-2 did happen, and you should have gubbed Sunderland. So much depends on January. Garde and Allardyce will have a chance to remodel their teams a little. Villa's net spend in the summer was less than 10M. I don't think Bournemouth have the money to do anything, unless they work some loan magic, and Norwich will struggle to attract players. The big question is whether Ashley will open his chequebook up, given that you spent a shit-ton of money this summer. I think that if he does, you'll be fine - but it will be ugly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 I certainly don't think Bournemouth are anything like a certainty to go. It'll be 2 from us, mackems and villa joined by Norwich imho. I think Allardyce will be given good dollar in Jan to keep them up and probably manage it. He's just got to find a formula to stop them conceding and make them boring. He'll do that imho. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Still think there's worse than us that will save us. Sunderland & Bournemouth 100% gone imo. Would take something massive from Garde to save Villa and Norwich look poor too. Yup. The bottom five are so poor - Bournemouth have been screwed by injuries, Villa are even more bereft of confidence than you, and Sunderland and Norwich are essentially Championship squads with a couple of decent players. That 6-2 did happen, and you should have gubbed Sunderland. So much depends on January. Garde and Allardyce will have a chance to remodel their teams a little. Villa's net spend in the summer was less than 10M. I don't think Bournemouth have the money to do anything, unless they work some loan magic, and Norwich will struggle to attract players. The big question is whether Ashley will open his chequebook up, given that you spent a shit-ton of money this summer. I think that if he does, you'll be fine - but it will be ugly. You must be feeling pretty smug right now after last season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Bailey Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Bournemouth, us, mackems, Norwich, Villa and West Brom for me...all scrapping for the three places. We have some major disadvantages over some of those sides too imo...worse manager than at least 2, arguably 3 of them. No fight, desire or leadership in the squad. Owner from hell. Clueless board. Criminally shit medical and physio team. General malaise around the club, divided support and still seen as 'big' scalp for other teams who may just take the foot off when playing some of the others. IMO we are screwed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Still think there's worse than us that will save us. Sunderland & Bournemouth 100% gone imo. Would take something massive from Garde to save Villa and Norwich look poor too. Yup. The bottom five are so poor - Bournemouth have been screwed by injuries, Villa are even more bereft of confidence than you, and Sunderland and Norwich are essentially Championship squads with a couple of decent players. That 6-2 did happen, and you should have gubbed Sunderland. So much depends on January. Garde and Allardyce will have a chance to remodel their teams a little. Villa's net spend in the summer was less than 10M. I don't think Bournemouth have the money to do anything, unless they work some loan magic, and Norwich will struggle to attract players. The big question is whether Ashley will open his chequebook up, given that you spent a s***-ton of money this summer. I think that if he does, you'll be fine - but it will be ugly. You must be feeling pretty smug right now after last season. After last season? This ain't the place for smug though . Although I did read the KUMB match thread start to finish. I know that there's a growing narrative that it's not just the coaching, that you guys are desperately lacking in quality, but I still think you're in a better position than the other four I mentioned. You need a leader, that much is clear. McLaren wouldn't fill me with confidence. Your next three games look a bit scary, but then it's Villa at home. That's the acid test. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Bournemouth, us, mackems, Norwich, Villa and West Brom for me...all scrapping for the three places. We have some major disadvantages over some of those sides too imo...worse manager than at least 2, arguably 3 of them. No fight, desire or leadership in the squad. Owner from hell. Clueless board. Criminally shit medical and physio team. General malaise around the club, divided support and still seen as 'big' scalp for other teams who may just take the foot off when playing some of the others. IMO we are screwed. Agree with the first five. Would probably take WBA out of it as they will pick up wins. I also feel Bournemouth should be ok as Wilson is back in 6 weeks and they won't be cut adrift. They deserved 3 points against us and picked up one away at Swansea. 4 from those 6 would have made a big difference to them. Norwich/US/Villa/Mackems is my bottom four. Any order you like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 For the rest of English football if there is any justice ourselves, Villa and Sunderland will go down and stay down for a good while. Embarrassments. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 For the rest of English football if there is any justice ourselves, Villa and Sunderland will go down and stay down for a good while. Embarrassments. We're like the new Wigan. How shit does that feel? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 I think if sunderland lose tonight- after another couple of weeks, it will be villa mackems , us in bottom three. 3 big shit clubs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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