r0cafella Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 Wasn’t this test originally created to protect clubs from being screwed over by dodgy owners? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 Sounds like the PL is hung up on MBS and his role as Chairman of PIF as sovereign and are likely not satisfied with PIF's lawyers either playing down his exact role or saying he is Chairman as Crown Prince but has no say on this specific deal and the PL are just not Ok with it. Given his position, I wonder what possible guarantees can be offered to the PL that he won't have a say in the club affairs on the occasions that he wants it. This don't look good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 Needs sorting in the next two weeks for it not to have an impact on next season. You’ll imagine there’s players and agents already lined up by PIF just holding on for a decision but they’ll not wait forever. Similarly there’ll be the Charnley/Bruce list in the same boat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samag Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 I am sure Ashley will this to go though . Cant see anyone else that will be willing to pay 300 million at the moment for a bottom half of the table team, that needs major investment on the field also. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack j Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 Somebody needs to tag the premier league on twitter about making a decision. Thats when we will find out the answer. In fact post it 50 times just to make sure Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasper Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 Somebody needs to tag the premier league on twitter about making a decision. Thats when we will find out the answer. In fact post it 50 times just to make sure Good idea, I'll do it. I'll report back shortly what they answer to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack j Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 Somebody needs to tag the premier league on twitter about making a decision. Thats when we will find out the answer. In fact post it 50 times just to make sure Good idea, I'll do it. I'll report back shortly what they answer to me. Champion remember to use them elusive words. "One of your member clubs" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raconteur Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 Given the latest "leak" about the Premier League wanting clarity on who will be in charge, I think what they are wanting to see if that whilst PIF will own the majority of the club they will have no real influence over the running of the club. In other words, that NUFC will just be an investment for PIF and not an actively run project. I think this could easily be achieved in that PIF and the buyers just need to demonstrate to the PL that the entirety of the club's executive & management team will be appointments of people in good UK standing and that their position descriptions will provide them the independence to run the club as they see fit - that PIF's only ability to interfere in the club is if the club is not performing as a financial investment (and then only on the basis of commercial operation). Such an arrangement would still permit PIF to invest heavily in the club (putting capital into their investment) and for other arrangements to be made on an equitable commercial basis (e.g. sponsorships, player purchases, etc), it would just be so the Premier League can't be accused of letting a "tyrant" directly run a club (e.g. behead a player because they don't track back sufficiently). Didn't they say Al Rummayan would be chairman from the off? Not sure why that should be an issue or why the PL wouldn't allow someone from PIF to be involved? 'You can pay the money but can't get involved' doesn't seem right. A while back someone in here mentioned that in the tests they look into/need details of anyone who could potentially have an influence on the things going forward, I'm assuming this is just an extension of that part of the test as PIF are huge and I Imagine it's massively complicated (not to mention fuckin stupid considering it could include shit loads of people). I'm probably over-simplifying it. That would (probably) be me - because I'm sick to the back teeth of people making silly or overly-simplistic arguments. I've posted the following at least three times, because a lot of people just don't get it: “Control” means the power of a Person to exercise, or to be able to exercise or acquire, direct or indirect control over the policies, affairs and/or management of a Club, whether that power is constituted by rights or contracts (either separately or in combination) and having regard to the considerations of fact or law involved, and, without prejudice to the generality of the foregoing, Control shall be deemed to include: (a)the power (whether directly or indirectly and whether by the ownership of share capital, by the possession of voting power, by contract or otherwise including without limitation by way of membership of any Concert Party) to appoint and/or remove all or such of the members of the board of directors of the Club as are able to cast a majority of the votes capable of being cast by the members of that board; and/or (b)the holding and/or possession of the beneficial interest in, and/or the ability to exercise the voting rights applicable to, Shares in the Club (whether directly, indirectly (by means of holding such interests in one or more other persons) or by contract including without limitation by way of membership of any Concert Party) which confer in aggregate on the holder(s) thereof 30 per cent or more of the total voting rights exercisable at general meetings of the Club.For the purposes of the above, any rights or powers of a Nominee for any Person or of an Associate of any Person or of a Connected Person to any Person shall be attributed to that Person; Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWN Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 Somebody needs to tag the premier league on twitter about making a decision. Thats when we will find out the answer. In fact post it 50 times just to make sure They must gets thousands of tags every fucking day man . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 Somebody needs to tag the premier league on twitter about making a decision. Thats when we will find out the answer. In fact post it 50 times just to make sure They must gets thousands of tags every fucking day man . I reckon that's the point he's making. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 I think there may have been an assumption on the Saudis part that the British government would have more power and influence to push this through. In most countries, if the government says jump, you jump. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 It's a dead duck this one. Just enjoy having your weekends back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack j Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 Somebody needs to tag the premier league on twitter about making a decision. Thats when we will find out the answer. In fact post it 50 times just to make sure They must gets thousands of tags every fucking day man . Aye but they've never had one from Billy from benwell yet. Wont ignore him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mouldy_uk Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 Somebody needs to tag the premier league on twitter about making a decision. Thats when we will find out the answer. In fact post it 50 times just to make sure I think an online petition would be more effective Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodneyCisse Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 Maybe someone should ring them? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Beginnings Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 Those digging out the lad for hosting the petition! I for one applaud his efforts! Too many just willing to sit and let others do it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ankles Bennett Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 Given the latest "leak" about the Premier League wanting clarity on who will be in charge, I think what they are wanting to see if that whilst PIF will own the majority of the club they will have no real influence over the running of the club. In other words, that NUFC will just be an investment for PIF and not an actively run project. I think this could easily be achieved in that PIF and the buyers just need to demonstrate to the PL that the entirety of the club's executive & management team will be appointments of people in good UK standing and that their position descriptions will provide them the independence to run the club as they see fit - that PIF's only ability to interfere in the club is if the club is not performing as a financial investment (and then only on the basis of commercial operation). Such an arrangement would still permit PIF to invest heavily in the club (putting capital into their investment) and for other arrangements to be made on an equitable commercial basis (e.g. sponsorships, player purchases, etc), it would just be so the Premier League can't be accused of letting a "tyrant" directly run a club (e.g. behead a player because they don't track back sufficiently). Didn't they say Al Rummayan would be chairman from the off? Not sure why that should be an issue or why the PL wouldn't allow someone from PIF to be involved? 'You can pay the money but can't get involved' doesn't seem right. A while back someone in here mentioned that in the tests they look into/need details of anyone who could potentially have an influence on the things going forward, I'm assuming this is just an extension of that part of the test as PIF are huge and I Imagine it's massively complicated (not to mention fuckin stupid considering it could include shit loads of people). I'm probably over-simplifying it. That would (probably) be me - because I'm sick to the back teeth of people making silly or overly-simplistic arguments. I've posted the following at least three times, because a lot of people just don't get it: “Control” means the power of a Person to exercise, or to be able to exercise or acquire, direct or indirect control over the policies, affairs and/or management of a Club, whether that power is constituted by rights or contracts (either separately or in combination) and having regard to the considerations of fact or law involved, and, without prejudice to the generality of the foregoing, Control shall be deemed to include: (a)the power (whether directly or indirectly and whether by the ownership of share capital, by the possession of voting power, by contract or otherwise including without limitation by way of membership of any Concert Party) to appoint and/or remove all or such of the members of the board of directors of the Club as are able to cast a majority of the votes capable of being cast by the members of that board; and/or (b)the holding and/or possession of the beneficial interest in, and/or the ability to exercise the voting rights applicable to, Shares in the Club (whether directly, indirectly (by means of holding such interests in one or more other persons) or by contract including without limitation by way of membership of any Concert Party) which confer in aggregate on the holder(s) thereof 30 per cent or more of the total voting rights exercisable at general meetings of the Club.For the purposes of the above, any rights or powers of a Nominee for any Person or of an Associate of any Person or of a Connected Person to any Person shall be attributed to that Person; So this is the owner of man City, Mansour bin Zayed bin Sultan bin Zayed bin Khalifa Al Nahyan (born 20 November 1970), often referred to as Sheikh Mansour, is an Emirati politician who is the deputy prime minister of the United Arab Emirates, minister of presidential affairs and member of the royal family of Abu Dhabi. He is the half brother of the current President of UAE, Khalifa bin Zayed Al Nahyan. He is also the chairman of the ministerial council for services, the Emirates Investment Authority and the Emirates Racing Authority. He sits on the Supreme Petroleum Council and the boards of numerous investment companies including the International Petroleum Investment Company (IPIC) and the Abu Dhabi Investment Council (ADIC). Mansour also owns stakes in a number of business ventures, including Virgin Galactic and Sky News Arabia.[6] He is also the owner of the privately held Abu Dhabi United Group (ADUG), a specialist investment company that acquired Manchester City Football Club in September 2008, though immediately handed all responsibility and ownership to Khaldoon Al Mubarak and the City Football Group which has overseen a significant transformation at the club since then. I just don't see the difference between what the EPL have accepted in regards to Man City and what PIF plan in terms of the intended management structure. The EPL cant seriously suggest that Mansoor doesn't have control over Khaldoon Al Mubarak and the City Football Group. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 Those digging out the lad for hosting the petition! I for one applaud his efforts! Too many just willing to sit and let others do it It'll take as long as it takes, I agree the length of time its taken seems mad, but why should they care? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Little Waster Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 Maybe its just the inescapable fact that MBS is toxic and the PL can afford to have a few dodgy businessmen owing clubs but they cant afford to have a murderer as head of what would become their flagship club Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCormick Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 Of course there'd be an impasse if the PL are looking to cross-examine and seek answers from the de facto King of Saudi Arabia and the soon-to-be custodian of the Two Holy Mosques (effectively making him one of the most powerful rulers in the world). Imagine the poor Saudi grunt tasked with trying to get those answers from him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinitely Content Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 In that the focus of the supposed leak is of the managerial structure... would that suggest everything else is fine and that's the final sticking point? Or is it just another spanner in the works? Or is everybody just talking shite as usual? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manorpark Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 Anyone thinking that Saudi won't walk away from this deal for fear of being embarrassed will be very disappointed. Changing an entire governments' policy just to yield to a fucking foreign sporting body would be infinitely more degrading in their eyes; the 17m is pennies in the grand scheme of things and they will not be happy with being made to jump through all these hoops for something that is relatively insignificant to them. Agree.. it's over. Good grief !!! The opposite of the reality. None of our three new owners will give up on this. Even more so now, after all this crap they've been made to go through. It is simply, as always, a matter of WHEN. (as you know, I thought this would be yesterday, ah well . . . ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 If it’s to be done in needs done be done soon to give us a good go in the transfer window. If a further 3-4 weeks down the line and nothing has happened they’d be as well pulling the plug tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St1pe Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 I’d still rather this took another 6 weeks than not happening at all. The alternative is grim and not something I’m ready to consider yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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