Groundhog63 Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 8 minutes ago, HTT II said: Orange man surely! Who, seemingly, hates Mexicans ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 4 minutes ago, Groundhog63 said: Who, seemingly, hates Mexicans ? And that’s one of the many reasons why I hate the bloated orange faced, wig wearing cunt! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hovagod Posted August 16, 2022 Share Posted August 16, 2022 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/16/saudi-woman-given-34-year-prison-sentence-for-using-twitter Honestly, this is, in my own mind, becoming harder and harder to justify. We are owned by scum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 6 hours ago, Hovagod said: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/16/saudi-woman-given-34-year-prison-sentence-for-using-twitter Honestly, this is, in my own mind, becoming harder and harder to justify. We are owned by scum. It’s horrific, and they are the scum of the Earth, I’m afraid. MBS and ‘his excellency’ our chairman are all party to this evil. It is why fawning statements from ‘our’ supporters trust were vomit-inducing. There’s fuck all we can do about who owns the club - see also Mike Ashley - and ultimately it’s still ‘our’ club (it still exists within and represents my home town). Doesn’t mean we should sit comfortably with it, of course. There was a sorry tale here in Sydney a few weeks ago re two sisters who’d fled KSA due to their sexuality. I can’t even imagine what it is like to live under a regime like that. Evil fuckers. https://amp.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/aug/04/saudi-sisters-found-dead-in-sydney-told-acquaintance-queer-women-live-in-fear-in-their-homeland Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Maximin Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 Indeed we are (80%) owned by the investment fund of a horrible regime. We can’t do anything about our owners, but I can’t also deny we did by and large all want and celebrated the takeover. Saying that, perhaps what all our critics on social media who suddenly took an interest in sportswashing in 2021 don’t realise though, is this is the result of being owned 14 years by Ashley. At least other crap owners have the decency to accept other takeover bids that don’t involve a sovereign wealth fund. Detestable owners are sadly part of football, but I don’t want to start saying we have “the worst owners imaginable” as I don’t know if anyone particularly evil has much of a connection to the club anyway, given it’s the investment fund that owns us and I don’t know how much they’re involved in our daily decision making. MBS as the PIF chair is noted of course. Also most clubs don’t love and support their owners, so we shouldn’t either just because they have money. Luckily the fan connection is with Staveley and co and they seem pretty likeable people overall - despite the occasional Saudi apologist on Twitter you don’t see much public adoration for the PIF from our fanbase. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hovagod Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 (edited) One thing I would like to stop is this craven ‘how dare you criticise the owners?’ line of thinking. Whatever their transfer policy and however they enact it, they are not doing it because they fell in love with Newcastle United. It is a business model that will be being used for their own purposes, whatever they are. I feel fully entitled to question their decisions and feel no particular loyalty nor affinity to a bunch of tories or the arseholes complicit in (if not outright responsible for) the imprisonment of some young lass for liking and retweeting a few social media posts. Fuck them, frankly. Edited August 17, 2022 by Hovagod Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 8 minutes ago, Hovagod said: One thing I would like to stop is this craven ‘how dare you criticise the owners?’ line of thinking. Whatever their transfer policy and however they enact it, they are not doing it because they fell in love with Newcastle United. It is a business model that will be being used for their own purposes, whatever they are. I feel fully entitled to question their decisions and feel no particular loyalty nor affinity to a bunch of tories nor to the arseholes complicit in the imprisonment of some young lass for liking and retweeting a few social media posts. Fuck them, frankly. cool. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 54 minutes ago, Hovagod said: One thing I would like to stop is this craven ‘how dare you criticise the owners?’ line of thinking. Whatever their transfer policy and however they enact it, they are not doing it because they fell in love with Newcastle United. It is a business model that will be being used for their own purposes, whatever they are. I feel fully entitled to question their decisions and feel no particular loyalty nor affinity to a bunch of tories or the arseholes complicit in (if not outright responsible for) the imprisonment of some young lass for liking and retweeting a few social media posts. Fuck them, frankly. For me, you need to separate the owners from the operation if the club. Everyone is entitled to their own position, but I'm not particularly comfortable with our majority owners. Unfortunately, as a fan there's very little I can do about it. Obviously the lines can be blurred, as with Ashley, but that was largely because he was using the club to support his business interests. As for the club operations, I think it's perfectly fair to criticise when mistakes are made, but what we're seeing at the moment is conjecture. We're fed snippets by the media without any kind of context. That's why I'll judge the window on the end rather than the means. I also find it strange that people are getting frustrated that we're trying to negotiate, when it's perfectly normal and occurs for a large majority of transfers. I agree the Maddison offers seem quite odd (without context), but I have no problem with us haggling over Pedro. Obviously in an ideal world we'd have our business done by now. The club may have been a naive in assuming Ekitike was done and dusted, but they're obviously still grafting to get more players in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 10 hours ago, Hovagod said: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/16/saudi-woman-given-34-year-prison-sentence-for-using-twitter Honestly, this is, in my own mind, becoming harder and harder to justify. We are owned by scum. Just came in here to post this. Grim read. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 (edited) We're in a Country which has just made it illegal to protest. Shame we're (generally) not as concerned about our own liberty & freedom as we are with others. Give it another decade and we'll be more like them than they are like us (the west - which was everyone's hope) Seems governments across the globe are now free to do what they want to their citizens, and even those who aren't. Russia, China, North Korea, Iran, Afgan & KSA are standout players, but the West have been doing diluted versions of this for decades, and seem to be getting more upfront about it as time goes on. I think at this stage we're all oppressed, just different levels and what we consider tolerant. It'll never get better either. Edited August 17, 2022 by Dokko Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 3 hours ago, Hovagod said: One thing I would like to stop is this craven ‘how dare you criticise the owners?’ line of thinking. Whatever their transfer policy and however they enact it, they are not doing it because they fell in love with Newcastle United. It is a business model that will be being used for their own purposes, whatever they are. I feel fully entitled to question their decisions and feel no particular loyalty nor affinity to a bunch of tories or the arseholes complicit in (if not outright responsible for) the imprisonment of some young lass for liking and retweeting a few social media posts. Fuck them, frankly. So when you say fuck them, does that mean just fuck them as a regime, or that you will also stop supporting NUFC because they are now owners? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 8 minutes ago, Dokko said: We're in a Country which has just made it illegal to protest. We should have maybe protested that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
relámpago blanco Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 5 minutes ago, Happinesstan said: We should have maybe protested that. You can't Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 4 hours ago, Dokko said: We're in a Country which has just made it illegal to protest. What's this in reference to? Apologies for my ignorance Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, triggs said: What's this in reference to? Apologies for my ignorance The UK. The Tories bringing in legislation which restricts rights to strike and to protest. Deeply unpleasant stuff, more than a little disturbing - but I can’t get on board with the moral relativism compared to a dictatorship like KSA. Being locked up for three and a half decades for sharing some Twitter posts is not comparable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 7 hours ago, Hovagod said: One thing I would like to stop is this craven ‘how dare you criticise the owners?’ line of thinking. Whatever their transfer policy and however they enact it, they are not doing it because they fell in love with Newcastle United. It is a business model that will be being used for their own purposes, whatever they are. I feel fully entitled to question their decisions and feel no particular loyalty nor affinity to a bunch of tories or the arseholes complicit in (if not outright responsible for) the imprisonment of some young lass for liking and retweeting a few social media posts. Fuck them, frankly. Here, here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 Where, where? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 There. On the stair. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 4 hours ago, TRon said: So when you say fuck them, does that mean just fuck them as a regime, or that you will also stop supporting NUFC because they are now owners? I assume he means - just fuck them. He supports Newcastle United. He cares about the interests of NUFC. He hold no personal warmth for them nor feels a need to protect all of their decisions. That's how I feel at least. I sense a lot of people dislike criticism of the regime's management like it's a criticism of NUFC as an entity. From what i've seen - any criticism is very light too (in terms of transfer strategy or performance) but the defence league won't have a peep of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 1 minute ago, The College Dropout said: I assume he means - just fuck them. He supports Newcastle United. He cares about the interests of NUFC. He hold no personal warmth for them nor feels a need to protect all of their decisions. That's how I feel at least. I sense a lot of people dislike criticism of the regime's management like it's a criticism of NUFC as an entity. From what i've seen - any criticism is very light too (in terms of transfer strategy or performance) but the defence league won't have a peep of it. I think it's easier if we just agree to separate the Saudi regime from PIF. Otherwise tacitly you are saying NUFC is effectively their club and represents their values, which I am sure it does not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hovagod Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 28 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: I assume he means - just fuck them. He supports Newcastle United. He cares about the interests of NUFC. He hold no personal warmth for them nor feels a need to protect all of their decisions. That's how I feel at least. I sense a lot of people dislike criticism of the regime's management like it's a criticism of NUFC as an entity. From what i've seen - any criticism is very light too (in terms of transfer strategy or performance) but the defence league won't have a peep of it. Exactly this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 I’m pretty deflated about the Saudi kit like. National flags or Ashley’s business colours - it doesn’t matter. It’s needless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 44 minutes ago, TRon said: I think it's easier if we just agree to separate the Saudi regime from PIF. Otherwise tacitly you are saying NUFC is effectively their club and represents their values, which I am sure it does not. Separate the Saudi state public investment fund from the Saudi regime. Aye Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 i try to keep MAManda and MehrDAD separate from the rest. I acknowledge it's a version of burying your head in the sand, but I'm not giving up a life long connection. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Happinesstan said: i try to keep MAManda and MehrDAD separate from the rest. I acknowledge it's a version of burying your head in the sand, but I'm not giving up a life long connection. The Tory donors? The people that found these investors? I don’t have to like any of them to support Newcastle United. NUFC will be here long after these are the owners and management. And hopefully so will I. From a sporting perspective they’ve given me something to have interest and passion for. But the rest? Fuck them. Edited August 17, 2022 by The College Dropout Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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