Eddie Howe

[SUPERTOON]

 

[Yorkie]

8 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

 

 

"Dan Byrne was a well-respected player for Brighton."

 

 Where is he now? Sign him up.

 

Absolutely nails it, mind. 

[Doc]

 

11 hours ago, Dr Venkman said:

We are ppl.

"We are the people,

who want Ben Arfa,

he'd make our whole attack

look fucking smarter"

 

 

Edited December 30, 2022 by Doc
had a few

[LV]

Spoiler

 

This is brilliant. Cheers for posting.

 

 

[Dr Venkman]

1 hour ago, bowlingcrofty said:

 

Looks to me like his line actually shows it was onside  

Indeed. An absolute farce.

[Emotic]

22 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

 

"Dan Byrne was a well-respected player for Brighton."

 

 Where is he now? Sign him up.

 

Absolutely nails it, mind. 

The one piece of evidence that the article was indeed written by Jamie Carragher, mind

[PauloGeordio]

Jamie knows! 

[Lush Vlad]

Just came in here to post that piece by Carragher. Can’t even read it because of the paywall. But the replies are delicious. 
 

Seems like no other fucker has read it either and of course, it is all down to oil money.  They always go quiet when hit with facts. It takes about a minute to point out how wide of the mark they are.  
 

I love how people get all passive aggressive about Howe. They still use the relegation with Bournemouth against him. Just conveniently ignoring everything else he did there and what he’s done with us, so far. 
 

The Big 6 are rattled and crying about us being good again and I’m all for it. 

[PauloGeordio]

5 minutes ago, Lush Vlad said:

Just came in here to post that piece by Carragher. Can’t even read it because of the paywall. But the replies are delicious. 
 

Seems like no other fucker has read it either and of course, it is all down to oil money.  They always go quiet when hit with facts. It takes about a minute to point out how wide of the mark they are.  
 

I love how people get all passive aggressive about Howe. They still use the relegation with Bournemouth against him. Just conveniently ignoring everything else he did there and what he’s done with us, so far. 
 

The Big 6 are rattled and crying about us being good again and I’m all for it. 

?? More salty tears to come from the entitled ones! It’s great to see ?

[Cronky]

Our net transfer spend over the last two windows is large, but what needs taking into account is the fact that 1) we were starting from a very low position in the Premiership, and 2) because of the previous low spending and lack of quality in the squad, we haven't been able to raise any funds through sales, unlike other clubs. Those factors put Eddie's achievements into perspective.

[Chris_R]

1 hour ago, Lush Vlad said:

Just came in here to post that piece by Carragher. Can’t even read it because of the paywall.

 

Never let that stop you. Just put 12ft.io/ in front of the URL....

 

12ft.io/https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2022/12/30/manager-2022-isnt-pep-guardiola-mikel-arteta/

 

No need to give money to those Tory rags.

 

[et tu brute]

5 hours ago, bowlingcrofty said:

 

Looks to me like his line actually shows it was onside  

What pissed me off was they only showed one line on the ground and yet for Rashford in a game earlier in the week, they showed the line on the ground and at shoulder level.

[Chris_R]

5 hours ago, Cronky said:

 

Thank you for your post. Ever since last season, I've needed no convincing as to what a gem we have in Eddie, but that was a good read.

 

Not because I have any doubts, but just for my education, what do you think went wrong at Burnley, and (in the end) at Bournemouth? 

 

He left Burnley because his mum died in March 2012 and he wanted to move back home. Sure, he wasn't pulling up any trees there but you need players to buy into what you're doing and maybe that wasn't happening as he'd have liked.

 

As for Bournemouth, what would realistic expectations be of a club with an 11k capacity in the PL? They finished 18th, just one point (and with a better goal difference) behind Aston Villa. They'd had bad injuries during the season too, plus it was during Covid times and many sides form was different (some better, done worse) when playing behind closed doors. Yes it was disappointing given the 4 seasons prior, but I think there were extenuating circumstances and the only person in Bournemouth who wanted Howe to leave was Howe himself, he never lost the fans, the players, or the board who'd have all kept him in the championship.

 

Plus many great managers have suffered relegation. Wenger with Nancy, Benitez with Extremadura, it shouldn't be a stigma. But I guess it's our benefit that it has been seen as such.

[King HTT III]

On 29/12/2022 at 23:37, Chris_R said:

Apologies for the long post but I felt I needed to just put down some of what Howe has done at Bournemouth for those who have only really paid attention to him since he signed for us.

 

Some may know as I've said before, but I live in Bournemouth. I came down here in 2009 for work just after their "great escape" (and after our first Ashley relegation!) and have seen first-hand what he did here as although I've never supported any club but Newcastle and never could, I kind of adopted Bournemouth whilst Ashley gutted our club from the inside and I was marooned 360 miles away.

 

What Howe is doing now is not new, and it should not be a surprise. He has a long and incredibly impressive history in improving players, massively. Obviously it doesn't happen to all players, as you have to buy in to what he wants of you and his methods, but for those that do they'll find he can have them playing easily 2 divisions higher than they've ever played before. At Bournemouth he did this with many players and I've long wanted him to get this job and was over the moon when Emery turned us down and we moved onto "that fella from Bournemouth". Although he didn't to my knowledge bring anyone all the way with him from L2 with Bournemouth, he variously bought or inherited many players in League 1 who became PL regulars with hundreds of appearances to their name.

 

Here's Bournemouth's league timeline in the Howe years, and some key moments noted....

 

2008–09 - League Two - Great Escape from -17 points
2009–10 - League Two - Promotion
2010–11 - League One - Jan 2011 leaves for Burnley, replaced by Lee Bradbury who fails in Playoff Semi Final
2011–12 - League One - Bradbury sacked, Paul Groves takes over with Bournemouth 11th
2012–13 - League One - Oct 2012 Groves sacked with Bournemouth near foot of table. Howe returns, turns it around and wins promotion in same season
2013–14 - Championship - Finished 10th
2014–15 - Championship - Promoted as champions
2015–16 - Premier League
2016–17 - Premier League - Finished 9th, highest finish in club's history
2017–18 - Premier League
2018–19 - Premier League
2019–20 - Premier League - Relegation and Howe leaves

 

Now I've already said he didn't take anyone from L2 to the PL with Bournemouth (Though Ings was with him in L2 but then moved on to Burnley when Howe went there), but I think at least part of that is that from January 2008 to December 2010 Bournemouth were operating under a transfer embargo due to going into administration. This is why they had -17 points in 2008/09, and why they had to turn to 31-year-old Howe. That he not only saved them but got them promoted the next season whilst under that embargo is incredible enough, but all the below players (Except Ings) were then signed by Howe, Bradbury or Groves whilst in L1 and went on to make a lot of appearances in the PL as Howe took them up through the leagues when he came back from Burnley:

 

09/10 - League 2

Danny Ings - Came up through the U18s, Howe gave him his debut in the cup when in L2, played most of next season in L1. Howe then went to Burnley and took Ings with him. Also managed Tippier at this time, probably why Trippier was so keen to join.

 

10/11 - League 1 - Howe signings

Adam Smith - On loan initially when in L1 due to embargo, then joined permanently, has made 158 PL appearances and still playing for Bournemouth now

Marc Pugh - 67 PL appearances over 3 seasons

Harry Arter - 69 PL appearances for Bournemouth, now at Notts Forest

 

11/12 - League 1 - Lee Bradbury signings

Steve Cook - 168 PL appearances before moving to Notts Forest

Charlie Daniels - 129 PL appearances

Simon Francis - 136 PL appearances before retiring

 

12-13 - League 1 - Paul Groves then Eddie Howe returns in October for January window

Tommy Elphick - 12 PL appearances in first season up before being signed by Aston Villa

Lewis Grabban - 18 PL appearances in first season up, then went on loan to (amongst others) Sunderland, before moving to Notts Forest

Matt Richie - Signed from Swindon by Howe after his return, 37 PL appearances before moving to us

Ryan Fraser - Another Howe signing, 120 PL appearances before also moving to us

 

And that's not counting the likes of Shaun MacDonald who played 3 times in the Prem etc, just the headliners. So that's a full TEN players who went from L1 to the PL with Howe and made a significant contribution, some over many years and 5 of them making 120+ PL appearances - 6 if you count Ritchie completing them here.

 

If a manager can make a player 10% better, you take it and would say he's doing a great job, because that's a brilliant return. But we have a manager who can make you two DIVISIONS better if you trust the process and buy into his methods. We're incredibly lucky to have him, and nothing he's doing is a flash in the pan or anything he hasn't done before on a consistent and prolonged basis in terms of improving players, and so I expect he'll also continue to do it in the future with anyone else we sign - provided they have the right character and mentality.

 

Small anecdote - He bummed a cigarette off my wife back in 2010. Bournemouth were having their end of season promotion party at the RNLI headquarters in Poole where my wife worked as a restaurant manager. She was a smoker back then, and was outside having a cigarette when Eddie Howe came out and chatted to her for a bit after asking if he could have a cigarette off her. At the time he was a nobody really, she didn't know who he was but knew AFC Bournemouth were booked in for a party and from chatting whilst they smoked for that few minutes she found out that he was the manager, so I had to fill in the blanks for her. She says he was really lovely, which of course we'd expect. No idea if he smokes regularly or if like some people do only when 10 pints in (He may have been sober for all we know, I'm certainly not saying he wasn't and even if he was wasted, he deserved it), and of course more than a decade has passed since anyway, but there you are.

 

TL;DR - I think Eddie Howe is fantastic, and have done for over a decade. Even though he still owes my missus a cigarette.

Great post, Emery was my first choice, but I’ve always rated Howe and was happy enough when we appointed him and now I’m obviously fucking delirious with the job he’s done and having met the man, well, he’s fucking lush. KK vibes about him!

[King HTT III]

This is how considerate the man is, when he posed for a photo with my boy (well it was the other way round really) he said is it OK if he puts his arm around him and gives him a little chat (he’d won MOTM against his boy’s team), he refused a kiss off me though which I don’t blame him with my trampy beard  He’s fucking great and I’m so happy for him just as a person, never mind our manager.

[Danh1]

11 minutes ago, King HTT III said:

This is how considerate the man is, when he posed for a photo with my boy (well it was the other way round really) he said is it OK if he puts his arm around him and gives him a little chat (he’d won MOTM against his boy’s team), he refused a kiss off me though which I don’t blame him with my trampy beard  He’s fucking great and I’m so happy for him just as a person, never mind our manager.

The bloke is class man. Clever as fuck as well, you just know that despite finding a winning formulae, he’s always look at ways to improve us. Armed with money to bring in quality players, I am certain he is going to win us a trophy, and very soon too. 

[Scoreboard82]

21 hours ago, Chris_R said:

 

He left Burnley because his mum died in March 2012 and he wanted to move back home. Sure, he wasn't pulling up any trees there but you need players to buy into what you're doing and maybe that wasn't happening as he'd have liked.

 

As for Bournemouth, what would realistic expectations be of a club with an 11k capacity in the PL? They finished 18th, just one point (and with a better goal difference) behind Aston Villa. They'd had bad injuries during the season too, plus it was during Covid times and many sides form was different (some better, done worse) when playing behind closed doors. Yes it was disappointing given the 4 seasons prior, but I think there were extenuating circumstances and the only person in Bournemouth who wanted Howe to leave was Howe himself, he never lost the fans, the players, or the board who'd have all kept him in the championship.

 

Plus many great managers have suffered relegation. Wenger with Nancy, Benitez with Extremadura, it shouldn't be a stigma. But I guess it's our benefit that it has been seen as such.

When Bournemouth went down, was that the season Villa (god I hate them) would have went down if it wasn't for a incredibly rare Hawkeye goal line decision failure v Sheffield United too?

[Pilko]

Probably a marker of how far he's taken us that "shit results" we've had are a few home draws against bottom half teams. We'd have lost that game 2 years ago.

 

Not the worst time to draw a blank with an impending transfer window either. Was like having 10 men with Wood on & the lack of quality from Longstaff stood out a lot.

[Aiston]

Needs to be a bit more pro-active when games are tough.

 

Confident he'll learn from it mind.

 

 

Edited December 31, 2022 by Aiston

[LV]

2 minutes ago, Aiston said:

Needs to be a bit more pro-active when games are tough.

 

Confident he'll learn from it mind.

 

 

 

What would you have him do?

 

Bring on ASM and Wilson earlier? 

[54]

2 minutes ago, Aiston said:

Needs to be a bit more pro-active when games are tough.

 

Confident he'll learn from it mind.

 

 

 

We battered them in the second half, not sure what more he could have done.

[ExiledGeordie]

We created enough chances, we just couldn’t hit a barn door. I don’t think there was anything tactically that went terribly wrong. 

[LiquidAK]

Yeah the manager can't kick it in the net for them, just build a system to make as many chances as possible.

[et tu brute]

Should have taken Wood off at half time and Longstaff off not Willock. It's hard to have a go though. We need a Maddison type to open up these teams at home. 

[Aiston]

Or you know, better subs...earlier subs, he could do that too...